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Old 04-01-2008, 03:44 PM
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Islam is not an Abrahamic religion...it is a psudo-idiological doctrine of authoritarian governance with a religious facade.



I've said quite the opposite. I wish to save the innocent victims of this idiology by freeing them from it's oppressive and deadly grip. By destroying this idiology and exposing it for what it is, we can save these people through education and free them to make choices of their own free will:





Equating Islam to any religion, Judaism, Christianity or any other for that matter is a sweeping generalization.



Like anything I could say could actually make these people more crazy than they already are...



Aren't you reading these posts?





Your turn to get the Nick Berg/Daniel Pearl treatment from one of the followers of the religion of peace.



I only want to help him to get his 72 virgins in paradise:
People like you who rely on information gathered from the television deserve nothing in this world. Shame on your ignorance, shame on your lack of understanding or willingness to learn.

You, in all respects, have no concept of reality other than what you see on the tube! If you bothered to read an actual, paper made BOOK, YES, A REAL BOOK, then maybe you wouldn't come to such stupid, unrealistic conclusions about something you know nothing about.

Wake up buddy! The world is changing as it always has and always will. If you actually bothered to read a real, paper book copy of the Qu'ran, you would see that indeed it is an Abraham based religion much like Christianity and Judaism.

And there is no such thing as "Islamism". The religion itself is called Islam, which literally means "to submit/surrender" to the will of God. Those who practice Islam, are known as Muslims. The difference lies in the fact that they embrace all the prophets: Jesus, David, Moses, Abraham, Muhammad, etc.

Try reading a book sometime, your ignorance doesn't baffle me, it makes me angry.
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Old 04-01-2008, 03:46 PM
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Your mistake is thinking that I'm trying to "justify" anything or excuse beheadings. All I'm doing is pushing back against the idea that Islam itself is the main, unfixable problem.

The militants are a problem that must be dealt with. But trying to blame Islam as a whole is wrong, strategically stupid, and ignores our own history.
Either that or you are just oblivious to reality.
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Either that or you are just oblivious to reality.
One of us is.
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Those who practice Islam, are known as Muslims. The difference lies in the fact that they embrace all the prophets: Jesus, David, Moses, Abraham, Muhammad, etc.
And that the Koran calls upon those who follow Islam to kill those who follow those prophets, namely Christians, Jews and anyone else deemed an infidel. That is why it is a fanatical cult of twisted political idiology not a religion. Just because they do the things they do in the name of God does not give them an excuse, or give them the right to be considered a religion.
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Until we recognize the statement bolded below, we will never effectively deal with Islam
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...The Jihadis (Al—Queda and its international offshoots and collaborators) exist for religious conflict. Salafism, the cult form of Islam practiced by the Islamists, is as much an ideology of aggression as Nazism and Communism. It was designed as such: its two major figures, Maulana Mahdoudi and Said Qutb, effectively reconstructed Islam by throwing out every element not related to Jihad, the concept of holy war, and rechanneling the remainder to express pure hostility against anyone not a follower of their interpretation of the Koran.

This means not only Christians, not only seculars, not only Westerners, but any unenlightened Muslim. Shi'ites, Obadis, Sufis, even most brands of Sunni are enemies and potential victims. Salafism effectively transforms the entire earth into Dar al—Harb, the 'House of the Sword' in which unlimited warfare is permitted. Christianity is overtly a religion of mercy — a faith whose God deliberately sacrificed Himself out of pity for human suffering can be viewed in no other way.

Christians needed to compartmentalize the basic teachings of their faith in order to embark on religious warfare. Muslims do not, a fact that Salafism takes possession of and amplifies until it drowns out all other messages emerging from the Koran. Salafism is the preeminent ideology of religious warfare, in which all the elements of belief have become inseparable from malice, from murder, from genocide...
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Until we recognize the statement bolded below, we will never effectively deal with Islam
Correction: that will let you understand *Salafism*, not Islam.
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http://jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/

One thing dhimmitude requires is that all non-Muslims under Sharia pay an extra tax to Allah among other things.
Found the word in Wiki where I should have looked in the first place. Here is the history of the root Arabic word "dhimmi". Quite interesting stuff. You should read it.
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If the most powerful Muslim clerics are saying 'jihad" and institute Sharia then there is a problem isn't there? Well you tell me if they are tiny numbers of "militaristic fundies". I keep hearing from the Liberals that we create more and more terrorists everyday. So is it a tiny number or not?
It is a tiny number. They are encouraged by various Muhlahs and Imams who are bigshot priests within the Islam religion and who have everything to gain from speaking fire and brimstone.
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Except Creationists arent going around beheading anyone. Agreed?
Generally no, they just mindwash children.

But the relevant point here is that they are a tiny minority of the Christians as are the fundies within Islam.
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A person's perception of reality is often inaccurate and incorrect.
Yes, but how is rationality often a departure from reality?
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Yes, but how is rationality often a departure from reality?
Because a person can rationalize anything, even if it is completely contrary to reality.
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Because a person can rationalize anything, even if it is completely contrary to reality.
In fact, your difference of opinion is proof of that.
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