Come on. Did Jesus murder anyone like muhammed? Did he wage any wars? Rape any children? Authorize slavery, theivery, slaughter, and genocide like muhammed?

Well, you do make a point but its a weak one and also a long, off-topic discussion. But, bottom line, we see no evidence throughout history of Christians being unwilling to recognize secular authority. In fact, America was established by Christians that established freedom of religion, not a Christian State.

Did all nazis fight in WWII? Did all the Japanese? Did all Americans? All are Americans fighting now? Nope. That doesn't mean they don't side with those that are fighting or support them in other ways, like taxes for instance.

I merely quote their own words and the experts that study their unholy religion. but, I did read the quran, and I have read the Old and New Testament to the Bible. The quran is much more like Mein Kempf than the Bible, but much worse.

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Qur'an:8:39 Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.
Qur'an:8:67 It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.
Qur'an 8:12 I will terrorize the unbelievers...Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.
Qur'an 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.

Jesus wasn't attacked by a Byzantine army, either.

Muhammad was a warlord; Jesus wasn't. Alexander the Great slaughtered a lot of people, too -- but we think he's pretty cool nowadays. Different times.

The experts you cite take out-of-context quotes from the Quran and demand that they be read literally, as standalone text. It's exactly as if I took the most extreme, fundamentalist, literalist interpretation of the Bible and *insisted* that that's what all Christians believed.

Practicing, mainstream Muslims, meanwhile, read the Quran and come to different, far more peacable conclusions. Just like mainstream Christians view much of the Bible as symbolism, allegory or simply outdated.

Reading and understanding are two different things. The Quran is full of contradictions, as well as unconventional organization -- related texts are scattered throughout it. Further, study of the Quran suffers from bad translations and the rather imprecise nature of Arabic. Then throw in the hadiths and the complete lack of any central religious authority to make sense of it all, and you have a set of writings that are very difficult to make sense of, even if you're a trained scholar and a native Arabic speaker.

The vast majority of Muslims have reconciled their belief with peaceful coexistence. That alone is proof that your claims about Islam are off-point.

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Man up.

To save Raharu Haruha further embarrassment!


I'm gonna go kill myself. Bye.

Ahh, the Duisingenuous apologist still at it.

So you admit, however strangely, Islam was the creation of a Warlord- Christianity wasnt.

Alexander the Great may be "cool" but that has Nothing to do with Christianity v Islam.

Blackbeard the Pirate was cool too,, but I don't think we should make a religion of HIS exploits or his system of how to divide up the booty either.

That doesn't make for a peaceful text or basis of a religion.

Agan and Again we see this Crap posted here.

Alas only about 10% of Christians are Holy Book literalists while a majority of Muslims are.
And unlike the New and OT's expired enemies.. Islam's enemies Are the the still extant Christians and Jews.. and even worse for 'pagan idolaters' like Hindus.
An absolute LIE by raytri- one of scores in this string.
Most muslims are Koranic literalists.
Hey buddy - go over to any Islamic board and try and Foist your APOLOGIST CRAP.

And while you're over there be sure and try the above too.

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More reason why it makes a lousy excuse for a religion, if it were in fact that at all. But the more I understand about Islam leads me to the belief that it is a cultist ideological form of authoritarianism disguised as a religion.

Yeah, but it's the vast minority that you have to worry about.

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Any group that worships a deity and believes in self proclaimed prophets is "a cultist ideological form or authoritarianism".



This is why killing all of them off is unjust. But I'm not so naive to say that many followers won't be killed because of this religion. Justifying genocide and forcing people to change their opinions legislatively is not justifiable by our standards. As many have mentioned in this topic, the current living standards and governments in the middle east are the problem. Islam has enabled these things, and we are currently working to change these things. We have only begun. Unfortunately, westerners do not seem to have the will to accomplish this yet. Blood will be shed, rest assured. But be reasonable; advocating such genocide and crusades is too extreme of an opinion to be taken seriously.

We'd all be better off if all religious beliefs magically disappeared. They are all the most divisive systems of belief humans have ever known. Such differences in faith are pointless and deadly.

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You too must have missed the tens of other posts in which I explain:

This is a similar argument to others that have been made here. It's just yet another example of moral equivalency which is why I added it to my in house coservative English dictionary on this forum:


New Conservative English Dictionary

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I have read them and that is why I said:

Justifying genocide and forcing people to change their opinions legislatively is not justifiable by our standards.

In the free world, opinions cannot be banned. In fact oppressing such a thing as opinions has proven only to create more martyrs and rebellions.

My above statement still stands. And that is a ridiculous dictionary. If not for secularism, christians would be committing similar heinous acts as they have in the past.

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LOL! If its so difficult for you to understand, what makes you such an expert to say it is peaceful? Watch the movies in the videos I keep linking to. Its full of islamic "scholars" saying exactly what I am saying, as UBL says and all the other islamotard groups say, even groups of different brand muslims say so. First they will team up to kill the infidels and then clearly they would wage war amongst themselves to determine the purist version of islamofascism.

I know plenty enough about the quran to judge it as a complete work of evil. You say its just a few quotes out of context. No, its not. The unholy book is packed full of crap like my signature quotes from end to end. It is true that there is a little bit about peace in there as well but it only applied to muslims, according to the text.

http://link.brightcove.com/services/...cpid1480107488

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Qur'an:8:39 Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.
Qur'an:8:67 It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.
Qur'an 8:12 I will terrorize the unbelievers...Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.
Qur'an 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.

Again, I am not suggesting genecide as a solution nor am I justifying it. I am trying to put an end to it as I stated earlier:
We don't have to ban it as I suggested earlier. Your point (about forcing people th change their opinions, and oppressing opinions) is valid and well taken. I was merely using a little hyperbole in making a suggestion for the purpose of generating a dialog on solutions that can be enacted. But I do believe that Islam is a political ideology as opposed to a religion and that can be legislated, simply by denying it recognition as a religion legislatively and subjecting it to taxation (as the Koran would suggest be done to all non-muslims by the way). By promoting democracy and freedom of religion around the world, and education about Islam and the truth of it's founding, I think it will become marginalized of its own accord. People will simply choose not to follow such a radicalized ideology. There may in time also be a reformation of sorts within Islam some day too, as has been suggested by other posters.

The main reason for this post is to express a little exasperation at the muslim apologists and appeasers and self-loathsome infidels who are constantly making excuses for terrorists and deriding the efforts of our country and our president to combat it. I'm just sick and tired of the demasculated men and impotent foreigners who are trying to demonize the United States of America. I'm tired of the political correctness and the wimps trying to say we are war mongers when in fact we were the ones attacked without provocation and we have every right to defend ourselves in any manner we see fit and to do so without appology.

Thank you to those of you with the patience to listen (sic) to my diatribe.

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