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Old 03-31-2008, 05:26 AM
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We need a worldwide global disaster to get the world back together. Like a 4 mile wide meteor to hit right in the Middle East. Just wipe the entire region off the face of the earth and start all over! Crazy huh. History has shown us that catastrophic events can brings different people and ethnic back grounds together for a common purpose.
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If muhammed were alive today, I would be even more happy to kill him than UBL. How islam can claim to be a peaceful religion when their "perfect man" they are supposed to emulate was a cold blooded murdering warlord and thief that raped 9 year old girls is beyond me.

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Old 03-31-2008, 07:29 AM
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Why yes. I think committing genocide on 1 billion people in the name of stopping violence is an entirely rational response.
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Also the fact that most Muslims on the planet are peaceful really puts a dent in the insane notion that religion is the root cause.
Right, just like the fact that not all Nazis committed murders in WWII means naziism is truly a peaceful ideology. Of course, the fact that a particular muslim might be peaceful on a given day doesn't mean they wouldn't commit terrorism. Muhammed himself told muslims to pretend to be peaceful, to pretend to assimilate when emigrating to non-muslim lands, but when their numbers rise to significant numbers, he tells them to start causing their typical trouble. We see this all over the world, with any country having much more than 1% of their population of muslims facing their terrorist attacks and islamofascist thuggery.

Further, it is not an opinion that the crusades were a defensive action against muslims. It is simply historical fact! the muslims were invading and conquering Christian areas of the ME and were MURDERING peaceful Christian pilgrims to the Holy Land, thus the Christians dared to fight back.

islam is the most evil ideology to ever exist in world history.
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Qur'an:8:67 It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.
Qur'an 8:12 I will terrorize the unbelievers...Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.
Qur'an 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.

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Religions and political philosophies are common scapegoats for ethnic conflict, used by people more interested in glorifying their own blind adherence to some other religion or ideology.
Religions and ideologies are mutable. They fill vaccuums and do so in a shape that fits best. Any religion or ideology can become a reason to kill if there is a real political or material imbalance. And any religion or ideology can be twisted just as easily into a peaceful movement if that is what works best.
To believe that Islam is at the root of the problems in the Middle East is ignorance of the real economic and political issues and conflicts in the area... which could just as easily be served by another religion or ideology.
And the belief that an outside group can somehow destroy a religion is either apology for a future genocide or just plain ignorance of human nature. I can only imagine people believing in a new crusade are just so caught up in their own zealousness for the "Western" ideology or Christian faith. This is how holy wars are perpetuated.
The foolishness that leads to such perpetuation was emboldened by the Cold War. Of course the Cold War did not actually destory an ideology... It simply led to the fall of an empire. In this case we are not talking about any coherent empire... or anything that can even be imagined as such.
Also the fact that most Muslims on the planet are peaceful really puts a dent in the insane notion that religion is the root cause.

More Reaganite BS to preserve the legacy and goals of their own god.
This is the very politically correct answer to my question I was expecting. I'm not saying that Islam is at the root of the problem in the Middle East by the way. I'm saying Islam is at the root of the problem worldwide, when it comes to Islamic terrorism. The Middle East has many indemic systemic problems. Letting their religious zealousy run amuck is just one of them. I know most people say that most Muslims around the planet are peaceful. But Muslims are also the ones involved in almost every war, conflict or disputes going on around the world today. Muslims are also the ones who have the worst human rights records currently; where Sharia laws are in place, there is no freedom of speech, freedom of religion; Human rights of women and gays are non-exisitant.

So again I have to ask, why do we even need a religion called Islam? It really isn't a religion, but a political cult more like NAZIism or communism. It can be and should be rooted out like a bad tooth.
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This is the very politically correct answer to my question I was expecting. I'm not saying that Islam is at the root of the problem in the Middle East by the way. I'm saying Islam is at the root of the problem worldwide, when it comes to Islamic terrorism. The Middle East has many indemic systemic problems. Letting their religious zealousy run amuck is just one of them. I know most people say that most Muslims around the planet are peaceful. But Muslims are also the ones involved in almost every war, conflict or disputes going on around the world today. Muslims are also the ones who have the worst human rights records currently; where Sharia laws are in place, there is no freedom of speech, freedom of religion; Human rights of women and gays are non-exisitant.

So again I have to ask, why do we even need a religion called Islam? It really isn't a religion, but a political cult more like NAZIism or communism. It can be and should be rooted out like a bad tooth.
Once again - you are absolutely 100% correct. Look at all the greatest mass murderers - Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Pol Pot - all Muslims. The mass genocide by the Muslims in Rwanda and Burundi. That Muslim Mgabwe and what he is doing in Zimbabwe. And don't forget the worst atrocity of the 21st century so far, hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians killed in the illegal invasion of Iraq by those Muslims in the White House (and Canberra and Whitehall).

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This is the very politically correct answer to my question I was expecting.
Believe it or not, using the phrase "politically correct" as a modifier does not actually work to stifle the argument... unless you're preaching to your own choir.

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I'm not saying that Islam is at the root of the problem in the Middle East by the way. I'm saying Islam is at the root of the problem worldwide, when it comes to Islamic terrorism. The Middle East has many indemic systemic problems..
Name instances of "Islamic terror" that do not have something to do with a real political or economic conflict with the target of the attack... or a grievance related to problems in the Middle East. And then explain to me how it is that "Islamic terror" is different from other forms of terror and how it is similar to peaceful adherents of Islam.
Seems to me "terror" is the operating word. And if you knew even a little about terrorism you'd know it is typically a manner for gaining political/economic power... most typically used by people with no legitimate means of attaining that political/economic power.
And it looks the same no matter what ideology it is painted with.

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Letting their religious zealousy run amuck is just one of them...
Exactly how does one not "let religious zealotry run amock"? Religious zealots are just as free to run amock here... but they tend not to, at least not in the ways you're thinking (which goes to show zealotry is not always related to terror).
Perhaps it makes more sense to focus on why religious/ideological zealotry in the violent sense is an attractive option to more people in some areas than in others.

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I know most people say that most Muslims around the planet are peaceful. But Muslims are also the ones involved in almost every war, conflict or disputes going on around the world today....
This is the most moronic step that comes out of this "WW4" neo-Reaganite mentality... the willingness to collectively punish an entire population because there are some involved in every war around the world...
So your belief is to attack the innocent within in hopes that somehow it will terrorize them into breaking from the bad guys- who they don't really like all that much anyway!
If there was any brainpower involved in this idea it would involve attempting to SEPERATE the majority of Muslims from the bad guys by giving them incentive.
Rather this mentality is set up around LABELING ALL MUSLIMS as bad guys, thus making us the very COMMON ENEMY the terrorists need to keep their recruitment up.

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Muslims are also the ones who have the worst human rights records currently; where Sharia laws are in place, there is no freedom of speech, freedom of religion; Human rights of women and gays are non-exisitant..
That's not true of all Muslim communities. But of course it's important to note that the areas you see these problems with have not had the benefit of a history in modern representative government.
The details take time. Our country wasn't exactly perfect during its founding.
But one thing's for certain. Being imperialistic and condescending and thereby making ourselves the common enemy of all Muslims... well, that's not going to do much to bring progress to their countries.
The fact that people with your mentality exist almost makes me glad we wound up with Bush. At least the neo-cons don't adhere to the ridiculous notion of war against Islam. Rather they at least try to make friends and see progress in the countries (albeit in a condescending and semi-imperialistic manner).

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So again I have to ask, why do we even need a religion called Islam? It really isn't a religion, but a political cult more like NAZIism or communism. It can be and should be rooted out like a bad tooth.
By the same logic I can label all of you religionists as nothing but part of the same cult of theism. You all seem equally anxious to grab for political dominance by whatever means necessary (your post is an example).
All god-worshippers are the same if you want to go at it from that angle.
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Why yes. I think committing genocide on 1 billion people in the name of stopping violence is an entirely rational response.

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Cuz the 'Aryan Nation' don't deserve to die???????

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