The reality is that NO ONE should trust anything a muslim says about the quran or islamic texts and should research it themself. Built into the texts is the commands to deceive the infidels about their true intentions of world dominance. They publish censored/false versions of the quran in English for the infidels to read so we will not know the truth of their evil. Further,the quran is not in chronological order and contradicts itself. Anything contradicted by something written at a later date is simply ruled null and void- God changed his mind. This is what happened to all peaceful versus about non-muslims. They were overruled when muhammed decided the only "final" solution was to kill or enslave the entire world. So, you can find a few quotes out of the millions of violent ones that sound peaceful, but they have been abrogated and are no longer relevant.

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Qur'an:8:39 Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.
Qur'an:8:67 It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.
Qur'an 8:12 I will terrorize the unbelievers...Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.
Qur'an 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.

Because I actually read what scholars that represent the mainstream say.

There are tens of thousands of scholars. Some of them are extremists. That does not mean their views are widely accepted. And then there's the whole "out of context" thing.

One problem: they haven't teamed up to kill the infidels. The vast majority of the world's Muslims are not trying to kill either "infidels" or each other. So apparently what you consider a foregone conclusion, Muslims aren't actually acting on.

But your signature quotes are a prime example of things being taken out of context.

Islam was under attack from almost the moment it was born. So the Koran is full of all sorts of stuff about fighting, rules of battle, how to treat enemies, etc.

But in the Islamic view, they emphasize that Mohammed didn't attack anyone who didn't either attack them first or was preparing to attack -- like the Byzantine army I mentioned earlier.

Whether that's historically correct is less important than the fact that that is how modern Muslims read it.

Further, most of those passages are considered event-specific.

8:39 is simply a poor translation. A better translation is "fight them until there is no more Fitna (tumult, oppression)." Fitna is an often mistranslated word. It usually refers to "civil war, disagreement or division within Islam" and specifically alludes to times involving trials of faith. So it's event-specific and doesn't mean an unending war against other faiths. It doesn't even mean violence necessarily.

8:67 refers to military strategy. It follows a detailed analysis of manpower on the battlefield, and is an injunction not to stop and take prisoners or booty before the battle is over. In other words, win the battle, *then* enjoy the spoils. It's largely a lesson from the battle of Uhud, where the Muslims won the first phase, but were hit by an enemy cavalry force as they were collecting booty and ended up losing the battle, with a lot of Muslims killed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Uhud

8:12 again refers to military strategy. It's about winning a battle, not about starting wars to pursue nonbelievers across the globe. In this case, the context is the Battle of Badr.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Badr

9:5, known as "the Sword Verse", again refers to a specific situation: the early days of Mohammed in Medina, where they were besieged and attacked by hostile Arab tribes. Mohammed gave his people carte blanche to defend themselves, because the tribes "violated oaths" and attacked first. In other words, the other tribes broke treaties and couldn't be trusted.

An excellent, detailed explanation of the verse is here:
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/111/story_11172_1.html

Here's an excellent explanation of most of those points and many more:
http://www.thewhitepath.com/archives...slamic_way.php

Even if you have read the Koran as claimed, it's clear you either do not understand the context of the verses you cite, or else you're deliberately ignoring it in order to push your ideological agenda. Either way, it's why you're not to be taken seriously as a source on Islam.

As an addendum, you ignore other, unambiguous Koranic verses, like 2:263: "There shall be no compulsion in religion." And the ones like 2:2-6 and 3:86, which clearly reserve punishment for unbelief to the afterlife, just like Christians.

Or 2:190, which expressly forbids Muslims from attacking first, saying "God does not love the aggressors."

Or the verses that allow Muslims to marry Christians. If your interpretation is to be believed, a Muslim man could marry a Christian woman -- but then he'd have to kill her.

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Man up.

Bravo thats it.

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White man came across the sea,He brought us pain and misery,He killed our tribes killed our creed,He took our game for his own need,We fought him hard we fought him well,Out on the plains we gave him hell,But many came too much for Cree,Oh will we ever be set free?

IRON MAIDEN

I would agree except the radical muslims are waging a war against our way of living every day. If they could, they'd send 100 nuke missiles into America tomorrow all becuase of some primitive, savage belief system.

It's up to the greater number of muslims who don't feel this way to step up to the plate and make a difference.

So far, in the last 7 years since 9/11 we've not seen the good muslims step up in any meaningful way.

I was definitely not mentioning you as those sane Christians.

do you actually kill your neighbor because his dog is barking? believe it or not, it seems so.

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Why does my heart cry? Feelings I can't fight...

"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster."

Friedrich Nietzsche


Lesson from the Brits.

Despite enduring daily bombings in their cities, in the heart of London itself, from the Luftwaffe

They still maintained their culture, they still drank tea in the afternoon, they retained a stiff upper lip so to speak.

They won the Battle of Britain. The Luftwaffe was defeated, the homeland was defended.

We can do the same with radicalism and terorrism by not losing ourselves in the process.

Good can and will defeat Evil.

Exactly! that's the point.

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Why does my heart cry? Feelings I can't fight...

No one here is advocating killing innocents to my knowledge. Bringing in human rights abuses by other groups is to make an argument of moral equivalence and often leads to debates which are off topic.

New Conservative English Dictionary

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So, "your" scholars are mainstream and "mine" aren't, and you judge this based on your extensive knowledge of islam. LOL!

Anytime you quote something it will be out of context. But, if you randomly open the quran to any page and with closed eyes point your finger at part of it, you are highly likely to find something violent. It isn't a few quotes, its the entire book! I could list thousands and thousands of evil quotes.

Ahh, but they have, since muhammed began jihad to enslave or kill the entire world. They simply haven't succeeded in killing us all.

Right, and the vast majority of America isn't fighting a war on terror either. That doesn't mean they don't believe or wouldn't fight.

The same could pretty much be said of Christianity, but Jesus didn't start waging war on anyone in sight to force their conversion, death, or enslavement. muhammed did, very happily.

This is simply false. I could cite hundreds/thousands of quran quotes to show muhammed ordering eternal jihad and authorizing the robbery/enslavement/murder of non-muslims, even in their "holy month."

At the same time you clearly know very little about the topic, you want to tell others that they also do not know anything. The fact is that many muslims may ignore the violent majority of the quran and just try to go about their lives but that has nothing to do with the ideology, which is entirely evil.

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Qur'an:8:39 Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.
Qur'an:8:67 It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.
Qur'an 8:12 I will terrorize the unbelievers...Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.
Qur'an 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.

Your country is high on our list of countries with a barking dog.

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We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. -- Ann Coulter