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Old 04-02-2008, 08:01 AM
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The same could pretty much be said of Christianity, but Jesus didn't start waging war on anyone in sight to force their conversion, death, or enslavement.
Actually, Jesus wasn't attacked by armies. He was eventually tried and executed by civil authorities, but no one tried to assassinate him or his disciples. Christians were persecuted after Jesus' death, but by that point Jesus wasn't around to issue guidance.

One other difference: Jesus claimed to be the son of God; Mohammed didn't; he just claimed to be a prophet. You may notice that the prophets in Christianity were a pretty violent bunch.

I'm agnostic; I have no particular love for Islam over Christianity. Mohammed was a much different character than Jesus. But I can recognize harmful, ill-informed and unfair attacks on a religion when I see them. Your screed is, in fact, just a screed.

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This is simply false. I could cite hundreds/thousands of quran quotes to show muhammed ordering eternal jihad and authorizing the robbery/enslavement/murder of non-muslims, even in their "holy month."
Do so. I'll address them just like I addressed the out-of-context quotes in your sig line.

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At the same time you clearly know very little about the topic, you want to tell others that they also do not know anything. The fact is that many muslims may ignore the violent majority of the quran and just try to go about their lives but that has nothing to do with the ideology, which is entirely evil.
I provide detailed, sourced rebuttals to your sig quotes, and the best you can do is dismiss me with generalities?

Either admit your quotes are so out-of-context that they're misleading, or defend them with your immense knowledge of the Koran.
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We can do the same with radicalism and terorrism by not losing ourselves in the process.

Good can and will defeat Evil.
You mean radical Islamism and Islamic terrorism. I agree with what you are saying...and Good (Judeo-Christian Western Civilization) will defeat Evil (Islamofacism).
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1) I know plenty of sane Muslims who follow the religion moderately as it should be. Should they be punished for the actions of a minority?

2) There are plenty of times when the Christians could have been viewed as extreme - anybody ever heard of the Spanish Inquisition?

3) Just like any religion, there will be extremists. It just so happens that the Muslim extremists are usually violent. One thing we should not tolerate are threats of violent action like some of those protests in Britain. People carrying signs like "Behead anyone who insults Islam" are just out of their minds and have been brainwashed into intolerance.

4) Jesus Camp - the Evangelical answer to Madrasahs.
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This is simply false. I could cite hundreds/thousands of quran quotes to show muhammed ordering eternal jihad and authorizing the robbery/enslavement/murder of non-muslims, even in their "holy month."
Do so. I'll address them just like I addressed the out-of-context quotes in your sig line.
Please don't. I don't want to have to read the whole darn Koran in this thread.
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You mean radical Islamism and Islamic terrorism. I agree with what you are saying...and Good (Judeo-Christian Western Civilization) will defeat Evil (Islamofacism).
Evil comes in all forms and in all shapes. It disguises itself as any number of creeds and faiths.

No true faith in God advocates murder.

Terrorism is a tactic used by the weak to impose fear and chaos into the stronger foe.

This is why modern terrorists seem so brutal to civilized cultures.

That is their intent.

I am not dismissing the Jihad as not something to be taken seriously, but dismissing Islam entirely, because that culture differs from our own is giving in to terrorism

America was built upon liberty for all and the free expression of religion, whatever faith that may be.
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Please don't. I don't want to have to read the whole darn Koran in this thread.
You're the one who wants to ban Islam, and you can't be bothered to examine the context of some of the most popular Koranic misquotes?
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2) There are plenty of times when the Christians could have been viewed as extreme - anybody ever heard of the Spanish Inquisition?

4) Jesus Camp - the Evangelical answer to Madrasahs.
Moral equivalence my friends!!! Isn't anyone reading this thread?

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Are they teaching children to kill the Jews in Jesus Camp? Are they teaching them that Jihad will get them a free pass into Heaven?
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You're the one who wants to ban Islam, and you can't be bothered to examine the context of some of the most popular Koranic misquotes?
I have never read Mein Kompf either, and I never intend to. From what I here, it is basically the same book, kill Jews, kill Christians, kill everyone that disagrees, ect.
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I have never read Mein Kompf either, and I never intend to. From what I here, it is basically the same book, kill Jews, kill Christians, kill everyone that disagrees, ect.
Wow. Just... wow. Nothing like determined ignorance to make extreme bigotry easier.
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Wow. Just... wow. Nothing like determined ignorance to make extreme bigotry easier.
Wow. Just... wow. Nothing like an ad hominid retorts to make an argument null. You can call it bigotry, I call it self preservation.
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