The Bible is more of an 'apple' kinda book......

Yes. Athough as I have also stated, those who wish to seek paradise in the name of allah should be granted there wishes.

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So, what's your plan to destroy islam without destroying every muslim?

Your entire premise is flawed for two very important reasons:

1: We have this thing called the first amendment in this country, so you won't be able to stop muslims from practicing here. Moreover, you're saying the United States should rid the world of a religion, something it is not just impossible, but is exactly what terrorists say we want, to recruit new members.

2: What gives you the right to tell anybody what they can and can't believe? Terrorists: sure. Kill them, every last one.

But if somebody is a peaceful muslim, you think you have some right to destroy them, or their practices?

What gives you that right?

lol, oops

I wonder if it's too late to edit...

I mean... I have no Idea what you're talking about.

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Qur'an:8:7 "Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: 'Wipe the infidels out to the last.'"

This is another mistranslation. A better (and fuller) version would be "Recall that GOD promised you victory over a certain group, but you still wanted to face the weaker group. It was GOD's plan to establish the truth with His words, and to defeat the disbelievers."
http://www.masjidtucson.org/quran/noframes/ch8.html

It's simply a remonstration of Muslims, for not having enough faith in Allah to take on a seemingly invincible tribe. It's from the same Sura as 8:12, the context-specific quote I dealt with earlier. Again, the context was the Battle of Badr.

The rest of what you've listed here comes not from the Koran, but from various hadiths. Hadiths are not only less authoritative than the Koran; Muslims don't agree on the validity of every hadith. You have now moved from quoting the Koran to quoting people telling unsubstantiated stories about the life of Muhammed and his followers.

I'm not going to get into the hadiths, because there are so many of them and they can be even more contradictory than the Koran itself. But if you're relying on the hadiths to make your point, you've already lost the main argument. The Koran is the core and sole holy book of Islam; the hadiths are merely commentary and decorative details. If it's not in the Koran, it does not have the force of revelation, and ultimately is not supported by Islam.

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Man up.

That has been outlined in several of my posts.

No, I'm saying the world should rid itself of a maniacal homicidal ideological political philosophy bent on genocidal world domination.

My conscience gives me the duty to tell people that their belief system is evil and should be extinguished.

Now you are coming around.

If there is such a thing, I have no problem with them.

The right to life, the right to self preservation.

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Not speaking Arabic means you are completely unqualified to discuss the accuracy of the translations, as am I. However, we see a great many arabic speaking muslims, as well as Western experts, that translate these and many, many, more evil islamic quotes exactly as I have given. muslims themselves translate it this way, hence ubl, hamas, hezzbolah, and all the other islamotard maniacs quoting their religion to justify barbarism. So, the issue obviously isn't the translation. Certainly one can interpret anything the way one wants and some may interpret muhammed's life of conquest, cold blooded murder, rape and tyranny as leaving a legacy of peace but that certainly doesn't make it true. In NO way was muhammed peaceful by any rational standard and since islam and muslims consider him the "perfect man", it makes NO sense to say islam is fundamentally peaceful.

No, context provided nuance to the meaning. A sentence can have meaning without more sentences. Any quote is by definition going to be taken out of context. Discussing the context of each quote is fine but you nor I are qualified to do so, muslims can not be trusted to do so honestly, many muslims and Western experts state the context is very clear- islam's desire to dominate the world, and in the end, no context could possibly justify the pervasive violence and evil in the quran.

You admit the truth that muhammed was a conquerer and a liar, not someone who fought in self defense. He was also a cold blooded murder, rapist, and thief. Then, you claim his religion only justifies defensive war? HE justified OFFENSIVE wars with it.

As you say, centuries ago and irrelevant to the topic at hand. Eleanor of Aquitaine did NO evil. She supported the Crusades, which were an effort to kick the muslims out of land they had conquered and were brutally tyrannizing, not to mention the fact that they were continuing their efforts to expand aggressively. In reality, this is still the same war. The muslims war never ended. It just got subsumed in greater conflicts of greater civilizations and languished in poverty. Oil revenues are funding its renewal.

I can quote from all their "unholy texts." If we limit them to the quran, there is still thousands upon thousands of violent, evil quotes.

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Qur'an:8:39 Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.
Qur'an:8:67 It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.
Qur'an 8:12 I will terrorize the unbelievers...Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.
Qur'an 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.

Um, those guys speak Arabic. They don't translate. And we've already agreed that they're extremist, fundamentalist loonies.

When it comes to English speakers understanding what the Koran says, it often is.

You're simply wrong. Only simple declarative sentences like "the sky is blue" work the way you describe, and even that rather depends on the cloud cover. If I write "the sky is white", is the sky white, am I lying, am I being poetic, or was it cloudy that day? You don't know what I mean by that unless you know the context in which it was written.

Martin Luther King once said, "we have come to our nation's capital to cash a check." That inspiring line is why so many blacks are on welfare.

In the same speech, he said "There will be neither rest nor tranquility in America until the Negro is granted his citizenship rights. The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our nation until the bright day of justice emerges." To this day, I'm still amazed that that call to armed revolt was not met with immediate arrest.

In the same speech, he said "We can never be satisfied." Obviously a demand for unending government support for blacks.

Or so you might think unless you know the context of those words.
http://www.usconstitution.net/dream.html

I love this. You are actually making an argument that we should just ignore translation errors, ignore context, and go with whatever *you* think the verses mean.

Not irrelevant at all. Why does a few centuries separation matter? It's still stomach-turning violence being done in the name of religion. Christianity came through it -- so can Islam.

Riiggghttt... because the French and Germans had such a valid historical claim to their Crusader kingdoms....

The Turkish attempts to invade Europe were an expansive war. But that was rooted far more in everyday imperialism than it was in religion.

You sure can. I'm just noting that relying on the hadiths is a losing argument.

Yet you've only supplied five, all refuted.

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Man up.

You use terms like "destroy" and I want specifics.

So, you're talking about Ismlamism, not Islam.


Your conscience doesn't give you a right to tell people what they can and can't do, unless they threaten you directly.

A billion muslims do not do that.


No, I'm consistent. Kill terrorists. Win hearts and minds of everybody else.


There are a billion. The biggest problem with your argument is your imprecise use of the term "islam" and the juvenile use of stereotypes.


What about THEIR RIGHT to life and self-preservation??

Favorite Latin Quote ever: Caedite Eos! Novit enim dominus qui sunt eos!

Literally: Slaughter them all. The Lord will know his own.

The qoute comes from a Christian Crusader during the Albigensian Crusade against...other Christians.

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