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Neither Timothy McVeigh nor Ted Kazinski killed in the name of any religion. They were atheiests in fact.
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Favorite Latin Quote ever: Caedite Eos! Novit enim dominus qui sunt eos!

Literally: Slaughter them all. The Lord will know his own.

The qoute comes from a Christian Crusader during the Albigensian Crusade against...other Christians.
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Let's not forget that the terrorists are Islamic extremists and not the general population. The Qaran preaches as much peace and love as does the Bible (as far as I know).

I suggest you take some time to study up on Christianity...

As you will see, reading through the Old Testament of our Christian Bible, we see a very similar picture painted of literally killing our enemies. There are many more stories of course but I only listed these to save space.

However, the New Testament changes everything. Jesus calls us to love our enemies and turn the other cheek; slightly different from you attitudes of eradication.

Maybe some people in this country should study their own religion more closely, rather than defaulting to overgeneralizing certain groups of people into scapegoats.
Your post is a little misleading. While Christianity was founded on Judaism, the religion in no way espouses the quotes you have selected, which are from the Old Testament. In fact, if you look at the New Testament, which is what Christianity is really founded upon - especially the Acts of the Apostles, you will see a message more in tune with what Jesus preached - love, friendship, and giving to the poor.
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You use terms like "destroy" and I want specifics.
Standard dictionary definition okay? de·stroy
1. to reduce (an object) to useless fragments, a useless form, or remains, as by rending, burning, or dissolving; injure beyond repair or renewal; demolish; ruin; annihilate.
2. to put an end to; extinguish.
3. to kill; slay.
4. to render ineffective or useless; nullify; neutralize; invalidate.
5. to defeat completely.

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So, you're talking about Ismlamism, not Islam.
I think I have been pretty clear about who I am talking about. I am talking about the radical political philosophy of Islam (and its followers - Islamists) which is portrayed by some as a religion because its pervert founder and self-proclaimed prophet said he was receiving messages from an Angel.

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Your conscience doesn't give you a right to tell people what they can and can't do, unless they threaten you directly.
A billion muslims do not do that.
Well if there truly were a billion, yeah, it could become quite a threat. Especially if they all decide to take up Jihad.

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No, I'm consistent. Kill terrorists. Win hearts and minds of everybody else.
As am I. I am all for that. Kill terrorists, covert the rest to Christianity. As I said, the world would be a lot better place if we could.

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There are a billion. The biggest problem with your argument is your imprecise use of the term "islam" and the juvenile use of stereotypes.
Well, there are 500 million+ men, and the 500 million+ women who IMO would probably choose not to follow Islam given its truly abhorant treatment women. And which stereotype is that?
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What about THEIR RIGHT to life and self-preservation??
They have a God given right to life just as does every man, woman or child. But if they seek to kill the innocents in the name of allah or Jihad, we have every right and a duty to destroy them. If it is martyrdom they seek, it's martyrdom they should receive.

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Just look at elenoraquitaine's signature!
No. Where does elenoraquitaine's signature mention killing Christians or Jews?

It mentions 'unbelievers'. Do you know the difference? Obviously not.
Why are you making things up? Why don't you try to learn a bit before making silly statements.

Where does the Koran calls upon those who follow Islam to kill those who follow those prophets, namely Christians, Jews and anyone else deemed an infidel.
Where? Do you know or is that statement a lie?

Is elenoraquitaine's signature the only source you are basing your bigotry on?
Why do you jump on a part of the Koran that says:
I will terrorize the unbelievers...Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.


But ignore the the Christian bible which says:

"And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God...
" (Deuteronomy 13: 5)

"If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;" (Deuteronomy 13: 6)

"Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people." (Deuteronomy 13:8-9)

"Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword." (Deuteronomy 13:15)


The Christian God tells his people to kill 'unbelievers' just like the Muslim god does. So why do you single out Islam for extermination.

Why did you completely ignore the other quotes from the Koran I provided:

"Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians -- whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve" (2:62, 5:69, and many other verses).

and

"...and nearest among them in love to the believers will you find those who say, 'We are Christians,' because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant" (5:82).

Which are completely contradictory to what you think the Koran says and what are trying to tell us the Koran says (even if you don't actually know where in the Koran it says it).

Do you think maybe there is a little more to both of these ancient religions than just cherry picking quotes as support for ignorant bigotry?

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No. Where does elenoraquitaine's signature mention killing Christians or Jews?

It mentions 'unbelievers'. Do you know the difference? Obviously not.
Why are you making things up? Why don't you try to learn a bit before making silly statements.

Where does the Koran calls upon those who follow Islam to kill those who follow those prophets, namely Christians, Jews and anyone else deemed an infidel.
Where? Do you know or is that statement a lie?

Is elenoraquitaine's signature the only source you are basing your bigotry on?
Why do you jump on a part of the Koran that says:
I will terrorize the unbelievers...Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.


But ignore the the Christian bible which says:

"And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God...
" (Deuteronomy 13: 5)

"If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;" (Deuteronomy 13: 6)

"Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people." (Deuteronomy 13:8-9)

"Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword." (Deuteronomy 13:15)


The Christian God tells his people to kill 'unbelievers' just like the Muslim god does. So why do you single out Islam for extermination.

Why did you completely ignore the other quotes from the Koran I provided:

"Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians -- whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor shall they grieve" (2:62, 5:69, and many other verses).

and

"...and nearest among them in love to the believers will you find those who say, 'We are Christians,' because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant" (5:82).

Which are completely contradictory to what you think the Koran says and what are trying to tell us the Koran says (even if you don't actually know where in the Koran it says it).

Do you think maybe there is a little more to both of these ancient religions than just cherry picking quotes as support for ignorant bigotry?
Oh no. Not another inflammatory atheist that thinks they know anything about the Bible

Why can't you be more tolerant?
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Oh no. Not another inflammatory atheist that thinks they know anything about the Bible

Why can't you be more tolerant?
What part of his post do you think was intolerant?

Pay particularly close attention to the last sentence in it.
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Your post is a little misleading. While Christianity was founded on Judaism, the religion in no way espouses the quotes you have selected, which are from the Old Testament. In fact, if you look at the New Testament, which is what Christianity is really founded upon - especially the Acts of the Apostles, you will see a message more in tune with what Jesus preached - love, friendship, and giving to the poor.
Did you read the rest of my post? The whole second half is about specifically what you said.

The point is that we should not try to kill Muslims, even if they deserve it. We are called to love them anyway.
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What part of his post do you think was intolerant?

Pay particularly close attention to the last sentence in it.
Oh yes I read it.

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Do you think maybe there is a little more to both of these ancient religions than just cherry picking quotes as support for ignorant bigotry?
I might use it in my sig.
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Did you read the rest of my post? The whole second half is about specifically what you said.

The point is that we should not try to kill Muslims, even if they deserve it. We are called to love them anyway.
Anyway what?

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