This like many other posts in this thread attempt to paint some weird parallel between Christianity, a true religion of peace, and Islamism, a supposed religion of peace which again as I have stated over and over, is nothing more than a homicidal political philosophy disguised as a religion. I refuse to submit anymore counter arguments to these fallacious moral equivalency arguments.

Yet again another poster who, thinks that it is proper decorum to sum up his argument with a personal insult ad hominid attack. Can anyone of you submit legitimate arguments that are not rife with fallacies?

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Wrong, they DO translate the quran into other languages. However, it is documented that they publish politically correct versions in other languages to avoid having infidels know of the violent nature of islam. Still, of course the truth has been discovered. Its just not PC. Easy to call naziism evil, but liberals have trouble calling religions evil, despite facts. Its just not PC.

In the same post you wrote this, you took numerous things I said and quoted them out of their context. Why is it okay for you to quote things and not okay for me? Go ahead and discuss the context of whatever you want. I again stand on the point that no matter how you spin it, nothing justifies what muhammed did or said, including raping a 9 year old girl, committing cold blooded murder, waging jihad on anyone who wouldn't bow down to his creation of a God, etc. but, you can keep trying to spin his words however you want. I will just keep quoting him.

haha, I don't speak arabic. So, I didn't translate any of those quotes. I can provide references for all of their translations, however I really am not interested in arguing about translation of a language I don't speak with someone who also doesn't speak it. Again, lots of muslims proclaim it says exactly what I am saying and lots of muslims also admit they lie about it under orders from muhammed. If they didn't, I wouldn't give a rat's behind about islam, you see, because it is the attacks of mulims that say this is what it means that the whole issue is about. I am sure Satanists worship evil but I could pretty much care less because they aren't blowing people up all over the world.

Again, a large unprovable assumption. Lots of ideologies don't get through it. How will islam "get past it" when its very founder, the "perfect madman" TOLD them to wage eternal war to enslave or convert the world? The book they worship and their prophet have created this very situation with their evil words.

Sure, I am sure you will defend the quran and muslims no matter what they do or say. Its very PC of you.

Qur'an 33:21 "You have in (Muhammad) the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern of conduct for any one to follow."

Qur'an 48:13 "If any believe not in Allah and His Messenger, We have prepared a Blazing Fire for them!"

Qur'an 48:28 "It is He Who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the Religion of Truth, that he may make it superior to every other religion, exalting it over them. Allah is a sufficient Witness. Muhammad is the Prophet of Allah. Those who are with him are severe with Infidel unbelievers."

Qur'an 8:12 "I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes."

Qur'an 9:3 "Allah is not bound by any contract or treaty with non-Muslims, nor is His Apostle."

Qur'an 9:3 "And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger to the people on the day of the Pilgrimage is that Allah and His Messenger dissolve treaty obligations with the Pagans."

Qur'an 2:191 "And kill them wherever you find and catch them. Drive them out from where they have turned you out; for Al-Fitnah (disbelief/polytheism) is worse than slaughter."

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Qur'an:8:39 Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.
Qur'an:8:67 It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.
Qur'an 8:12 I will terrorize the unbelievers...Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.
Qur'an 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.

Eleanor - you can quote the Koran all day, he'll just deny its contents or say it was taken out of context or make some other excuses for it. I love your posts and your arguments, but I'd hate to see this thread turn into an extended print of the entire hate filled Koran. Watch and see, the next posts they submit will be rebuttals to the meaning of you quotes.

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Why is that you are trying to equate the Old Testament with Christian beliefs? That is inaccurate. The foundation of Christianity is not the Old Testament, but the New Testament. The God of the New Testament and that of the Old Testament seem like two different beings. That of the New Testament is the compassionate, loving, forgiving God that sent his own son to die for everyone's sins. The Old Testament God is the one that banished Moses from entering the promised land to which he himself, with God's help, delivered the Jews.

Christian values and beliefs, at least the ones I ascribe to, are more akin to those found in the Beatitudes and Jesus' mission with the poor, sick, and dying.

any terrorist attacks is condemned, whether it's done in the name of peace, defense, God, land, democracy or not. terrorist attacks are not only a guy who blows himself in a cafe, but also is a military attacking innocent people and seizing their land by force.

every act that leads to death of an innocent is condemned in my opinion.

I don't have enough information about that issue, in other words, all that I can find is biased to a side (Israel or Palestinians). I'll judge this issue when I have enough real and unbiased knowledge about it.


there are no verses against ahl ketab (Christians, Jews and those who believe in one of the holy books) all you have read are mistranslations. I'll try to find a good translation for you.

link please.

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Bringing up Christianity in the context of islamofascism is simply a diversion. The liberals typically have anti-Christian bias so its just something fun for them to talk about and actually confronting the inherent evil in islam is way too much of a threat to their liberal ideology. You see, if it really is evil, then it threatens their entire worldview.

Heck, I am no fan of the Christian church and especially its history but it has nothing to do with this topic aside from the title using the word "Crusade" which might be a poor choice of words for the thrust of the discussion, whether islam should be destroyed or not. To that point, yes it should be destroyed. And, as to how, the only practical and ethical way to do is to fight until the muslims realize violence is not going to get them their way or win power over the world. At that point, they would naturally renounce the quran and muhammed and by definition will no longer be muslim. But, as long as they embrace those two sources, then they will naturally embrace violence.

They should make me their prophet or Gert Wilders (sp?). We would clean up their texts real quickly by simply tearing out all the pages with commands to do evil (most of them).

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Qur'an:8:39 Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.
Qur'an:8:67 It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.
Qur'an 8:12 I will terrorize the unbelievers...Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.
Qur'an 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.

Yeah, just as I thought to all four responses.

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Let's put aside the whole moral dilemma wrapped around such a campaign and pretend that I honestly take you seriously. Have you really considered the consequences of such an action? Declaring a 2nd crusade on islam would put as at war with every single Islamic nation in the world. There are quite a few of them, some with nuclear weapons. Such a declaration would certainly ignite a retaliation. Israel would be wiped off the map overnight. I also can't see any reason why pakistan and Egypt wouldn't fire off a few nukes in our direction in such a scenario. I would if I were them. If you think Islamic terrorism is bad now, imagine how it would be when 1 billion muslims feel the need to go on the defensive the US.

Then we'd have to deal with any nations who decided to ally with the muslims. I would imagine China would top that list, interested in maintaining its oil supplies and pushing the US out of its superior position. I could see North Korea taking advantage of a entangled US military and invade South Korea and Japan. Which way would Russia go? That's hard to say, but it's very possible that they may decide that the US is a greater risk to their security than Islam and join with the mulims, killing two birds with one stone- allying themselves with a former problem from the south and biting off the nice chunk of US global supremacy.

Perhaps we could cut down on US causalties with a preemptive nuclear strike against the Middle East, but that could cause our allies to turn on us, leaving us all alone in our holy war.

But I suppose the consequence of eradicating the mass majority of humaity would have the side effect of eliminating at least most of the muslims in the world.

Take about simplistic, though.

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. "You have found the secret message. Do you have too much time on your hands? ...Let it go."

I would instead submit the argument that Islam has already declared war on us (the US and Western civilization). The Crusade is on, and we are the ones on the defensive for the most part. I don't think an all out WW III is necessary but more of a second cold war, this time against Islamic fascism.

Is there not a danger of this happening already?

This is all so hypothetical. Very difficult to predict what may ensue in such cases.

I doubt the U.S. would take any such drastic action. We are criticized enough as it is for our preemptive war in Iraq as it is.

All throughout the thread I have never suggested any such genicide. Many of my other posts have suggested other alternatives which I will not repeat for the sake of brevity.

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I've thought about this post for a while and would like to respond to it again only to say that your inability to: condemn terrorist attacks personally; acknowledge Israel's right to exist; verify the true content of the Koran; and confirm that beheadings are in fact taking place in the name of Allah; stem from your countries restrictions on free speech, freedom of religion, and other Sharia (sp?) laws which in fact might put you very life in danger. So, I really don't expect an honest reply from someone who is communicating from a country under totalitarian Islamic rule.

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