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Old 04-06-2008, 05:19 PM
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Not that I know where these stats come from, but before taking them as proof that islam is evil, we should look at other influencing factors.

1. Their leadership... Radical leadership can turn any group violent. Obvious point in case, "christian" Nazi Germany or "Christian" white supremists.

2. Their environment... Any group that feels threatened will tend to be violent. I don't make any case at this point that Muslams have any need or reason to feel threatend by Christians or the western world, but many believe they are. This builds off the first point above where leadership teaches children and the society to fear the western world, christians and jews. It's only natural that higher tendancies for violence will result. This, however, does not speak to the nature of Islam. Just their environment.
Poor poor terrorists. They feel threatened? It's their environment and not them?

More liberal pablum.
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Glad we're having a rational discussion here.
Just let it be. Let's do the god-like thing and not have this debate with them. They're merely trying to provoke hatred in us with false teachings - like the anti-christ.
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New Crusades - Should Islam Be Destroyed?

This is the most ridiculous thread I think I've ever seen lol
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Old 04-07-2008, 08:17 AM
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You know what kills me about this thread, aside from the fact that it's gone one for like 30+ pages?

That people actually think that it is possible to ban other people's beliefs and/or destroy them.

When and why did the Christ myth become so powerful? Why, when they actively experiences opposition, which caused the religion to become far more cohesive.
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Old 04-07-2008, 08:23 AM
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Well, I never called for islam to be banned. My point, and I provided substantial evidence, is that the very definition of islam is violent. This needs to be understood. It is not an effective way to fight if you are confused about who is the enemy. The enemy is islam, not radical islam. There is no such thing as radical islam. islam is what muhammed and the quran say it is and it is extremely evil and violent. Any assertion that islam does not advocate violent overthrow of the entire world is false propaganda of the enemy. When polled in the ME, the muslims admitted this fact, the majority of their evil clerics say it publicly, its all over their television, and its extremely evident in the violence that muslims commit anywhere they are in the world. No where is there muslims and not muslim terrorism.

But, islam CAN be destroyed, in a sense. It can be made to retreat and cease its jihad through consistent butt kicking by the West, just as nazisism was destroyed in a sense.
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55% of muslims are willing to commit violence if they feel insulted. That means 55% are willing to kill over a cartoon published in another country. And, since they view our freedom not to worship allah/muhammed insulting, that means at least 55% feel free to kill us simply because we don't obey them.

Its an evil ideology/religion/government. Its as evil as anything can be.
So you're citing a survey of 940 people *in the Middle East* -- a survey that does not disclose its methodology or margin of error -- and claiming that that is representative of Islam?

Do you really believe that, for instance, American or Indonesian Muslims feel the same?

Then you misquote the scanty results. What does it mean to "commit violence"? We have no idea. You, however, assume it means "kill." You then claim that "not worshipping Allah" is insulting.
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So you're citing a survey of 940 people *in the Middle East* -- a survey that does not disclose its methodology or margin of error -- and claiming that that is representative of Islam?

Do you really believe that, for instance, American or Indonesian Muslims feel the same?

Then you misquote the scanty results. What does it mean to "commit violence"? We have no idea. You, however, assume it means "kill." You then claim that "not worshipping Allah" is insulting.
I think every one who read the forum understood what they're saying. continuing to argue is unnecessary IMO.
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Sure, the poll seems valid enough. I am sure you can find more details on it if you ask google. Further, NO proof has been cited for the reverse assertion- that it is only 1% of them that are violent. And, there has been no rebuttal to the fact that muhammed was an evil conquerer and is considered by islam to be perfect and the ultimate role model. It is simply impossible that someone could model their behavior on this person and his words and not be a violent terrorist or at least terrorist sympathizer. muslim clerics are all over arab television saying these exact things, and muslims are committing terrorism everywhere they exist.

I am sure the poll is not perfect. I would estimate the number of muslims who believe killing people for insulting islam is proper to be 99.999999-100%, just as muhammed told them to do- kill all non-muslims or enslave them.
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So basically, you are urging jihad against jihadists?

That seems counterproductive.
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it'll be appreciated if a mod could close this thread. it's just repeat of the same idea.
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