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Old 04-16-2008, 06:53 AM
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I would propose God never intended for us to stereotype nor generalize - since He does not do so Himself.
That's funny. Of course, any God you choose made many generalizations or stereotypes about many things. And, if humans had never started doing so, we would still be hiding in the jungle shadows from larger predators. To deny the internal capability to know good for wrong, which the liberals want to do, is to deny our very humanity. In any impartial analysis, islam is pure evil.
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That's funny. Of course, any God you choose made many generalizations or stereotypes about many things.
Actually according to the bible, God judges people individually based on their individual lives - not what political party they belong to, or any other classification for that matter.

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Why did God give us an internal sense of right and wrong then? Which version of God's word do you favor over that internal sense of justice?
God gave us an internal sense of right and wrong so that we could deem whether our own actions were good or evil. It is so that we can live our lives according to His Word and not condemn others who don't agree with us.

As for the second sentence, God's Word is what guides my sense of internal justice. I kind of prefer NLT but NIV is much more of a standard. Is that what you were asking?
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Its nonsense to suggest we should simply tolerate evil because something else was once evil and now isn't.
The Jewish religion kicked itself off by committing the mass genocide and rape of Canaan. By your definition, should we be trying to kill and covert all Jews then?
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Exactly, it is the ability to judge, indeed generalize and stereotype that makes mankind superior to all other of God's creatures. These are the very attributes the liberals wish you to abandon, all capacity for moral judgment, to view all manner of evil as equivalent to goodness.
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"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

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That sounds pretty cut and dry to me.


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Its not about judging individuals but the evil ideology of islam. While Jesus said not to judge individuals, he certainly advised judging right and wrong and certainly made such judgments himself. Of course, Christianity has nothing to do with the evil of islam anyway. But, individuals do have the choice of abandoning the evil of islam and the evil example and words of the thieving, raping, murdering, freak of a cult leader muhammed. If they don't follow those teachings, they aren't muslims. If they do, they are evil.
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Its not about judging individuals but the evil ideology of islam. While Jesus said not to judge individuals, he certainly advised judging right and wrong and certainly made such judgments himself. Of course, Christianity has nothing to do with the evil of islam anyway. But, individuals do have the choice of abandoning the evil of islam and the evil example and words of the thieving, raping, murdering, freak of a cult leader muhammed. If they don't follow those teachings, they aren't muslims. If they do, they are evil.
The problem is you are still stereotyping all of Islam as evil, which is wrong in and of itself. Jesus judged right and wrong and had the right and authority to do so because He is the Son of God. As Garth so aptly quoted:

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I am not stereotyping anything. I judge islam by its own words and actions. it was founded by an evil man who ordered his followers to do evil things. By definition, anyone who does so is a muslim and is evil. Jesus, who has nothing to do with this discussion, would also condemn islam, as he condemned all evil ideas and actions.
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Qur'an 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.

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Its not about judging individuals but the evil ideology of islam. While Jesus said not to judge individuals, he certainly advised judging right and wrong
Can you find me an example of Jesus advising us to judge groups of people such as ideologies? I don't remember ever reading that.

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and certainly made such judgments himself.
You seem to forget that HE IS GOD! He is allowed to make judgements.

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It is only the rightious that can lead others into rightiousness and as we are all imperfect, we have neither the right or ability to impose our religion or beliefs on others.

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Of course, Christianity has nothing to do with [opinions removed] islam anyway. But, individuals do have the choice of abandoning [opinions removed] islam and the [opinions removed] example and words of [opinions removed] muhammed. If they don't follow those teachings, they aren't muslims. [opinions removed].
I agree with that.
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I am not stereotyping anything. I judge islam by its own words and actions. it was founded by an evil man who ordered his followers to do evil things. By definition, anyone who does so is a muslim and is evil. Jesus, who has nothing to do with this discussion, would also condemn islam, as he condemned all evil ideas and actions.
You judge Islam as a whole and completely ignore the possibility that there are good people in it. "By definition" is your own definition, and doesn't hold much water. Jesus didn't condemn sinners, He forgave them and died for them on the Cross.

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