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Old 04-16-2008, 09:33 AM
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I judge islam by its own words and actions.
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This thread is ridiculous! Why are Americans, who have never been to Iran, telling Perham what his own country and religion are like? This is precisely the reason that terrorists hate America; because we are so ignorant and offensive.
What has been ignorant and offensive? Did you watch the video of Hafa Sultan? I think you are making a mistake in saying the terrorists have reason to hate us in that you are in effect saying they have a right to commit terrorist acts. IMO they would commit these acts out of their own selfish motives regardless of our actions. You are also forgetting about the good things America does world wide to fight poverty, disease and hunger. What about American relief efforts during earthquakes, tsunamis, typhoons or other natural disasters?

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Personally, I am ashamed to live in the same country that some of these opinions are coming from.
If you are ashamed to live in America, then you should leave. That is the beauty of living in a free country, you are free to leave.

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I deeply apologize for any offensive language that has been directed at you because of stereotypes that are fed by Fox News. These opinions are not representative of all Americans.
Speak for yourself. I don't know what stereotypes FOX News is broadcasting to your TV but I am not aware of any. You do not speak for all Americans, so I hope you are not presuming to be apologizing for us. If you see anything that I have said in this thread that I should apologize for, feel free to point it out and I will take it under serious consideration.

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Please tell us your opinions from your point of views and hopefully, some of us will take this opportunity to learn something. Why do you think that people have used your religion to promote violence? What to most people in Iran think about America and the West? What do you think is the best way to resolve our differences?
The best way for us to resolve our differences is for Islamists to stop commiting acts of violence and terrorism against innocent people world wide.
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Also note that each religion has their dark times. Christianity experienced it during the middle ages. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition
If you will notice, during the Spanish Inquisition, it says right there in the link you provided:

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From 1476 to 1834 an estimated 2,000 people were executed
There is hardly a comparison between what Christians did in a 358 year period to what Islamists have done in just a single day.
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If you will notice, during the Spanish Inquisition, it says right there in the link you provided:



There is hardly a comparison between what Christians did in a 358 year period to what Islamists have done in just a single day.
You will note that "executed" back then means "tortured until they died." And that they didn't have airplanes full of people and skyscrapers 100 stories tall to fly into. I'm pretty sure that if the Christians had modern day technology during the Crusades, there would be no Muslims left.
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Can you find me an example of Jesus advising us to judge groups of people such as ideologies?
Sure, he condemned the pharisees, for starters.

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You seem to forget that HE IS GOD! He is allowed to make judgements.
I don't believe Jesus was literally a God, anymore than we are, and don't believe he ever meant for people to believe that about him. But, that is off-topic. As for us not being allowed to make moral judgments, thats nonsense. God gave us a brain and a conscience for a reason, so we would use it. Saying we shouldn't judge is a cop out and amounts to sanctioning evil.

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You judge Islam as a whole and completely ignore the possibility that there are good people in it.
Not really, there could be good muslims just like there were good nazis. NOT! If they follow the ideology of an evil, man, they are evil. There may be nonviolent followers of a violent man and ideology, but they support the evil ideology in other ways. If they do not follow the evil example and directives of muhammed and the quran, they aren't muslim. Its that simple.

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I'm pretty sure that if the Christians had modern day technology during the Crusades, there would be no Muslims left.
The day time travel is invented, the best thing for mankind would be for us to go back in time and kill muhammed at his first attempt at conquest.
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Sure, he condemned the pharisees, for starters.
He condemned them for being hypocrites, not for being "evil."

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Not really, there could be good muslims just like there were good nazis.
Joining the Nazi party wasn't exactly voluntary. It was either join or be killed. Some joined because they actually believed Hitler, others joined to save their skin. The situation is entirely different and your analogy is unfair.
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He condemned them for being hypocrites, not for being "evil."
I don't condemn muslims for being "evil" either. I condemn them for following the commands of muhammed to wage eternal jihad to make the world muslim, enslaved by muslims, or dead, not to mention their violence against women, gays, child rape, etc. So, you are agreeing these judgments are valid. Thanks.

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Joining the Nazi party wasn't exactly voluntary. It was either join or be killed. Some joined because they actually believed Hitler, others joined to save their skin. The situation is entirely different and your analogy is unfair.
Again, you are agreeing with my points. Just because someone called themself a nazi or had others call themself a nazi doesn't mean they are/were a nazi. If they didn't follow the example and teachings of Hitler, they weren't a nazi. if they fought against the nazis while pretending to be one, they weren't a nazi. The same is true of muslims. If they don't follow the evil example and commands of muhammed and the quran, then they aren't a muslim.

It would be good to give these people their own name, like "good muslims", or "muslims against islam and muhammed" or "reformed muslims" or "neavou muslims formerly known as islamofascists" or something to tell them apart from the normal psychopathic killer muslims.
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Qur'an:8:67 It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.
Qur'an 8:12 I will terrorize the unbelievers...Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.
Qur'an 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.

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You will note that "executed" back then means "tortured until they died." And that they didn't have airplanes full of people and skyscrapers 100 stories tall to fly into. I'm pretty sure that if the Christians had modern day technology during the Crusades, there would be no Muslims left.
I still say there is no comparison here between Christianity, which has done much more good that it has evil, and Islam, which has done much more evil and very little good.
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Okay for those of you who still disagree with my premise that Islam is not a religion but a sociopathic political cult like Nazism, go to the YouTube user page and click on the "Play All" link to this film (it's 10 parts). Then come back to this thread and tell me I am wrong. Take the time to watch the entire film all ten parts as it is very informative.


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Or, you can watch the whole thing without stopping in this video player. Its the next to last video, and the player also has several other excellent documentaries about the evil ideology of islam:

http://link.brightcove.com/services/...cpid1480107488
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