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Old 04-17-2008, 10:15 AM
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Not like those Romans are running around worshiping Zeus nowadays.
Are you saying that there aren't Pagans that worship Jupiter or the Unconquered Sun?
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Well from what I read they killed whoever raised a sword against them. Can't blame em there.

But still it was a defensive response to the assault of Islam on Jerusalem and Spain. The Crusades wouldn't have happened if Islam didn't start trying to conquer Europe. You know that one big reason European states came about was to hold firm against the so called holy right of Islam to go and conquer.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_o...t_and_massacre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...e_of_Jerusalem

The Crusaders didn't care if the people in Jerusalem were Jews or Muslims, they only cared that they were non-Christians. That meant death.

Christians didn't start defending Jews in any organized fashion until the Dispensational and Zionist Movements cropped up in the 19th Century. Before that it was a systematic system of forced conversions, Inquisitions, Progroms, displacements, and heresy executions.
Well I don't know about the last part there either. I was reading those very links you referenced earlier today. I see that some of the people got away. But yeah, sadly they did massacre a lot.
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Old 04-17-2008, 10:23 AM
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Well I don't know about the last part there either. I was reading those very links you referenced earlier today. I see that some of the people got away. But yeah, sadly they did massacre a lot.
Here's a reference for the last part:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom#...s_against_Jews

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_in_the_Middle_Ages

If you read the last one and do some non-wiki searches on the same topic, you will find that ironically jews were much better treated in Islamic territory than in Christian. From a historical stand-point the Muslim world didn't become decisively "anti-Jew" until the Zionist movement.
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Old 04-17-2008, 10:31 AM
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Oh, that way I can't see you. I'm more interested in seeing you. that way, we can negotiate face to face and solve the issues. it's more humane way IMHO. well, thanks, I don't like bombs! robots are fine, I like Cyberdyne systems model 101. if you could send some of those robots, I would appreciate it!
Why would you want to see me? What issues do we have to negotiate? As long as you don't take up arms against the USA or its allies or disrupt American life with your islamization procedures, you will never face my wrath. If you view me as your enemy, its because you made me one. That was my point. If you don't go hang out by the nuclear sites, you have nothing to fear most likely. I doubt we are going to invade your country, but massive air strikes are extremely likely. Of course, if you really want to fight "me", you can just go to iraq and I am sure me representatives will be happy to oblige.
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Why would you want to see me? What issues do we have to negotiate? As long as you don't take up arms against the USA or its allies or disrupt American life with your islamization procedures, you will never face my wrath. If you view me as your enemy, its because you made me one. That was my point. If you don't go hang out by the nuclear sites, you have nothing to fear most likely. I doubt we are going to invade your country, but massive air strikes are extremely likely. Of course, if you really want to fight "me", you can just go to iraq and I am sure me representatives will be happy to oblige.
who said I see you as my enemy?! I see you potentially as my friend. I don't want to fight you, I said, if anyone wanted to fight with Islam here, please start with me, I'm ready. I have no fear of anything but God. and I doubt that a massive air strike won't target Tehran. so I'm potentially in danger. with negotiation, you can understand true Islam, then you may even convert! who knows?
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who said I see you as my enemy?! I see you potentially as my friend. I don't want to fight you, I said, if anyone wanted to fight with Islam here, please start with me, I'm ready.
No one wants a fight with islam. If islam would retreat to inside its already conquered borders, no one would fight it. But, at the same time you emigrate to our countries, and in the case of Europe demand they become increasingly muslified, you use terrorism to murder our civilians claiming its because we are in your lands or are not muslim. As long as muslims are fighting this hypocritical jihad, you are in for a fight, no matter what side you are on. This is why I told you to find and work with our people inside iran, the dissident movement. You can chose to fight for the right side, for true democracy for your people.

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and I doubt that a massive air strike won't target Tehran. so I'm potentially in danger.
Oh, come one. You must realize neither America nor Israel is going to simply carpet bomb your cities, though we could obviously. No, massive airstrikes means surgical, pinpoint strikes on pretty much all the major military and regime oriented sites, especially if related to nuclear development. If you stay in your house when the bombs start falling, you are extremely unlikely to get bombed. Our weapons are very accurate and are getting more accurate and reliable now very quickly. Soon, we will be deploying lasers instead of missles for these objectives, which will be even more effective at avoiding collateral damage.

America is merciful and peaceful. But, we will also fight to the death for our freedom. These are the two fundamental facts of American society that the islamofascists are not presently able to reconcile. But, as we continue kicking their butt, it will become more obvious to them.

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with negotiation, you can understand true Islam, then you may even convert! who knows?
Its far more likely that I will be able to deprogram you from the evil of islam.
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who said I see you as my enemy?! I see you potentially as my friend. I don't want to fight you, I said, if anyone wanted to fight with Islam here, please start with me, I'm ready. I have no fear of anything but God. and I doubt that a massive air strike won't target Tehran. so I'm potentially in danger. with negotiation, you can understand true Islam, then you may even convert! who knows?
See, mate I was with you up until "then you may even convert!"
It might be true, but I think that you should probably keep it to yourself. By saying that you're giving the impression that their religion is weak or inferior, and they wont listen to you if you do that. You're a good guy, who comes from an "enemy country" into a mostly American forum, and are respectful, mature and trying to give a hand of friendship and understanding. I have a lot of respect for that, and I think you've surprised quite a few people. But I'd steer away from trying to convert people, or at least saying that they may want to convert lol. But then I'm a Godless heathen what do I know.
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No, massive airstrikes means surgical, pinpoint strikes on pretty much all the major military and regime oriented sites, especially if related to nuclear development.
Right because causing an explosion in a facility full of radioactive, gaseous uranium wouldn't cause any negative side effects.
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