You obviously haven't read the Koran

Unlike the Bible- Islam's enemies still exist- and that would be US, Jews and Christians.
Christian (and the Jewish) countries do Not have Biblical law, but Islamic countries do have Holy Book law- as Islam.. is a Literalist religion.
A Billion Jerry Falwells backing or Stuck with a Horrific Treatise- Islam.
The Koran/Islam enshrines Barbaric and unfair Law.

Enjoy your new life in Iran or Saudi Arabia- you'll be a better citizen then Perham- although you know NOTHING obviously, about what's in the Koran.


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Though an old post, this seems to contain the substance of the Islamisbad argument. That, and the Qu'rant in your signature. Fairly persuasive argument. But if this standard is applied evenly, then our "good friends" the Jews wouldn't fare so well. According to Moses and the Torah, execution is a proper punishment for doing any work on Saturday. And let us not forget how "God's people" pioneered the concept of racial supremacy. I could go on about babies heads being crushed by rocks "as commanded by God", or any number of other atrocities, but the bottom line is: Their religion is every bit as barbaric as Islam, and much of our problems with the Muslims stem from our support of Isreal. So why not just say ,"You crazy barbarians sort your regional matters out yourself". If we weren't always in the middle of everbody's business, playing world cop, people wouldn't make a point to cross an ocean to mess with us.

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It's a post 9/11 world.

I will repost this here

Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components.

Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called "religious rights."

When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to "the reasonable" Muslim demands for their "religious rights," they also get the other components under the table. Here's how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

United States -- Muslim 1.0%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
China -- Muslim 1%-2%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
Norway -- Muslim 1.8%
At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%
From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.

They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. (United States).

France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- Muslim 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions (Paris -- car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats (Amsterdam -- Mohammed cartoons).

Guyana -- Muslim 10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Russia -- Muslim 10-15%
After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:

Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%
At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:

Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%
From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

Albania -- Muslim 70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%
After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Palestine -- Muslim 99%
Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%
100% will usher in the peace of "Dar-es-Salaam" -- the Islamic House of Peace -- there's supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:

Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 99.9%
Of course, that's not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons.

"Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against the world and all of us against the infidel. -- Leon Uris, "The Haj"

It is good to remember that in many, many countries, such as France, the Muslim populations are centered around ghettos based on their ethnicity. Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. Therefore, they exercise more power than their national average would indicate.


Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat.. www.frontline.org.za/books_videos/sti.htm

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Did they look like psychos? Is that what they looked like? They were vampires. Psychos do not explode when sunlight hits them, I don't give a **** how crazy they are!

Yes, islam is a plague on the planet. any comparison to modern day Judaism or Christianity is insane, though a comparison to naziism, fascism, totalitatrianism, and any other utterly evil ideology in world history is valid. But, islam is the worst of them all. When they start their crap here like they are doing in England and Europe, they are going to get put down and put down hard.

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Qur'an:8:39 Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.
Qur'an:8:67 It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.
Qur'an 8:12 I will terrorize the unbelievers...Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.
Qur'an 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.

But one can belong to the religious element without accepting the other elements.
Therefore your theory fails. There is a religion. And that religion contains a theocratic system. The same was true of Christianity in its beginnings.
Over time the system became unstable and the religion split off in many directions.

And?
I know you feel you're on to something bright... but basically this is true of any subpopulation.
When small, they cannot exert influence over the market or the government. As they grow they gain more influence.
It's not rocket science.
It's what happens in democracies.
There are a lot of issues that the mode of the population care nothing about. Tiny minorities can make these issues national ones as long as they are organized and cohesive.
Think about the abortion issue and its prevalence as an issue.
Frankly the idea of stores carrying ethnic food (which they will likely do in most relevant areas without government intervention) or universities having foot fountains mean even less to most of us than that!
I leave it to overly needy Muslim students and monocultural fascists to duke it out over that.


Funny. Note something else about the nations you give as examples (also true of France and their riots). They are areas where Muslims are generally more likely to be poor. Also areas where there are large movements that actively seek to make Muslims secondary citizens (In India, think of the BJP and other Hindu nationalist right-wing orgs... as a bloc the second most powerful political group, only kept in line by the secular liberal coalitions and Congress Party)
Really the problems seen in Russia-Chchnya, and Israel-Palestine are more similar to the problem in Turkey with the Kurds (Muslim v. Muslim), as they are based on nationalist movements rather than religion itself. The Muslims in these areas seek to be their own nation.

The problem is that you are using a simplistic monovariable "analysis." You start with cases in democracy where population is directly involved and no different than the effect of any other minority group arguing for its interests...
Then you jump straight to areas with actual nationalist conflicts that have deep historical roots.
Interestingly enough, you use this simplistic "analysis" to call people who move away to ESCAPE such toil as part of the "system".


From there on you get into areas that have much deeper histories of ethnic violence, some related to colonialism (most of Africa), and generally areas that have never had a stable modern developed socio-economic climate.

You are painting a rather disingenuous picture to present the idea that somehow Muslims will just move to Western countries and form them into these failed states.

When in actuality it is more true to assume that Muslims quite often come from already failed states and may bring some of that, at least in the first generation, to new countries... but not usually if they are better at assimilating (like the better off Muslims that move to America- a country more open to diversity than allegedly tolerant European countries and that encourages assimilation much better).

You try to reverse the correlation, claiming Islam created toil. When in fact, Islam has largely been shaped by toil... and like all religions is a work in progress (and going off in multiple directions).

Perhaps you should attempt to view each country as having its own history rather than trying to tie lines where the rope is fraying. Your "analysis" is an example of how you can find whatever answer you want if you are actively seeking it and it only.

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Sure, anywhere they bring their evil ideology, it naturally will cause problems, especially violence.

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Qur'an:8:39 Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.
Qur'an:8:67 It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.
Qur'an 8:12 I will terrorize the unbelievers...Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.
Qur'an 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.

The Koran is very specific about not questioning what it says, so no you cannot accept part and not the whole and be a true Muslim.

Look at any country where the population is at least majority Muslim, there are no jobs, Madras's spreading hate against all who oppose Islam, a violent wasteland. Why is that? just bad luck that no matter where Islam is a majority bad things happen?

Everyone likes to point to Turkey as a secular Muslim country, I've been to Turkey and it is just as big a dump as the rest of the middle east.

Yeah it's easy to find what you are looking for, all you have to do is read the Koran, all the answers are right there

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Did they look like psychos? Is that what they looked like? They were vampires. Psychos do not explode when sunlight hits them, I don't give a **** how crazy they are!

Funny that you will make a distinction between ancient and modern day Judaism, but you make no such allowance for Muslims who may feel that part of the Koran is outdated (the moderate Muslims that you claim don't exist). The Koran hasn't changed, but neither has the Torah. Believe me, if the Dome of the Rock weren't in the way of the Jewish temple, the Jews would begin sacrificing animals again, and you would see just how barbaric their religion is when in full effect. If Muslims, as you say, will believe and act as they would in Mohammed's day, why would you think the Jews wouldn't follow the teachings of Moses? If comparing Islam to Judaism or Christianity is insane, well then shut down all the college courses on comparative religion and put the professors in strait jackets.

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It's a post 9/11 world.

What distinction can be made? They still follow the same islam, are still waging the same stupid, impossible to win jihad, and still are as evil now as muhammed was then. I am glad some of them condemn at least parts of the evil ideology, but thats not enough. They all need to disavow muhammed and the quran to join the civilized word.

I don't see organized Christianity or Judaiism doing anything that concerns me whatsoever though I do indeed condemn many/most of their institutions' historical actions. As far as your theory that Jews will start sacrificing animals, I could care less.

Again, comparing islam to historical actions of Christianity or Judaism is reasonable though completely irrelevant. Comparing islam today to anything aside from possibly naziism, satanism, fascism, totalitarianism, or some of the other totally evil ideologies to come and go, is indeed insane.

Truly the evil of islam is incomparable to anything else mankind has ever experienced. It is the transcendent evil of human history.

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Qur'an:8:39 Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.
Qur'an:8:67 It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.
Qur'an 8:12 I will terrorize the unbelievers...Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.
Qur'an 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.