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Old 04-22-2008, 12:08 PM
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Really? What Jihad means to you and what it means to a terrorist are 2 completly different things.

Qur'an:2:216 "Jihad (holy fighting in Allah's Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims), though you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and like a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not." [Another translation reads:] "Warfare is ordained for you."
Qur'an:4:95 "Not equal are those believers who sit at home and receive no injurious hurt, and those who strive hard, fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause with their wealth and lives. Allah has granted a rank higher to those who strive hard, fighting Jihad with their wealth and bodies to those who sit (at home). Unto each has Allah promised good, but He prefers Jihadists who strive hard and fight above those who sit home. He has distinguished his fighters with a huge reward."
Yea, it's called a misinterpretation on behalf of the terrorists to further an agenda. All religious extremists try to use their "holy book" as a reference and a guide and a justification for their actions, but it of course, isn't. It's just a minsinterpretation. I prefer to say a "maniuplated passage" that better fits the ideals of whomever is reading said passage.
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Old 04-22-2008, 12:09 PM
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Jihad actually means to struggle to better oneself or society. It does not equate to genocide. Jihad has become a dirty word since 9/11 obviously. But the real definition is the aforementioned.
That's what they want you to think. They want to keep it hidden that they have a demand from "Allah" through Muhommed to kill.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Jihad

According to Islamic logic I guess because this is wrong we can't trust anything listed by Merriam-Webster anymore. Throw out all of those other posts because Merriam-Webster is now null and void?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Jihad

Wait let me guess.... War doesn't mean killing right?
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That's what they want you to think. They want to keep it hidden that they have a demand from "Allah" through Muhommed to kill.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Jihad

According to Islamic logic I guess because this is wrong we can't trust anything listed by Merriam-Webster anymore. Throw out all of those other posts because Merriam-Webster is now null and void?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Jihad

Wait let me guess.... War doesn't mean killing right?
Yea and a holy war is symbolism for the struggle within us all (if you're a muslim).

Islam teaches it is unholy to start war, but realizes some wars are inevitable and justifiable.

Notice it said an emotional crusade, not a physical one.

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Really? What Jihad means to you and what it means to a terrorist are 2 completly different things.

Qur'an:2:216 "Jihad (holy fighting in Allah's Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims), though you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and like a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not." [Another translation reads:] "Warfare is ordained for you."
Qur'an:4:95 "Not equal are those believers who sit at home and receive no injurious hurt, and those who strive hard, fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause with their wealth and lives. Allah has granted a rank higher to those who strive hard, fighting Jihad with their wealth and bodies to those who sit (at home). Unto each has Allah promised good, but He prefers Jihadists who strive hard and fight above those who sit home. He has distinguished his fighters with a huge reward."
I happen to agree, that the only true nobility resides on the battlefield.

Now if these Jihadists wouldn't use the innocent as human shields, if they followed honorable rules of engaging enemy combatants (infidels)...they would be honorable Soldiers. They do not and they are not. They are anarchists with no code, with no flag, with no purpose...only death and destruction.
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Yea, it's called a misinterpretation on behalf of the terrorists to further an agenda. All religious extremists try to use their "holy book" as a reference and a guide and a justification for their actions, but it of course, isn't. It's just a minsinterpretation. I prefer to say a "maniuplated passage" that better fits the ideals of whomever is reading said passage.
OK I find it hard to misinterpret what those passages say. Are you a Muslim? Do you practive Islam? Just want to know because you are very "matter of factly" saying what these passages mean.

How about these

Qur'an:33:22 "Among the Believers are men who have been true to their covenant with Allah and have gone out for Jihad (holy fighting). Some have completed their vow to extreme and have been martyred fighting and dying in His Cause, and some are waiting, prepared for death in battle."

Bukhari:V4B53N412 "Allah's Apostle said on the day of the conquest of Mecca, 'There is no migration now, only Jihad, holy battle. And when you are called for Jihad, you should come out at once.'"
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Or these

Qur'an:9:111 "Allah has purchased the believers, their lives and their goods. For them (in return) is the Garden (of Paradise). They fight in Allah's Cause, and they slay and are slain; they kill and are killed."

Bukhari:V4B52N196 "Allah's Apostle said, 'I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say,"None has the right to be worshipped but Allah."'

Qur'an:47:4 "So, when you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah's Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam."
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Did they look like psychos? Is that what they looked like? They were vampires. Psychos do not explode when sunlight hits them, I don't give a **** how crazy they are!

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Its completely illogical to claim these and all the other evil words of islam are mistranslated or misinterpreted. Its is exactly what their "perfect" madman did, so the words match his actions perfectly. Further, muslims all over the world translate and interpret these words exactly as quoted here. Whether or not they are mistranslating or misinterpreting them, which they are not, is actually unimportant. islam is as islam does, and all it does is absolutely evil.
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lol at people using "jihad" wrong. What ignorant people you guys are.
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lol at people using "jihad" wrong. What ignorant people you guys are.
So you are laughing at Bin Laden, Hezbollah, Hamas, etc.?
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