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Old 04-27-2008, 08:02 PM
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It is so funny that so many people will read the title of this thread, think the worst, but not bother to read the argument in the first post, let alone the rest of this somewhat lengthy thread. This is something you all should do, take the time to read and examine the arguments on both sides and check out the links and the videos.

Personally, I think that some of the posters on this thread have shared some invaluable data and knowledge on the subject of Islam.

Likewise, I have not heard any cogent, thoughtful analysis/argument in these various posts which lays out a convincing case against my main thesis. Many posters don't even understand or know what the thesis of this thread is and yet they post some politically correct brainwashed nonsense and think they have made a point.

Think before you post.
You said to think before you post. Well, I read your hate filled anti-Islamic wittings. If anyone read that garbage, they would think that you are part of a hate organization. The truth is that instead of blaming all Muslims for your own distresses, you need to direct it in the right place. Since your point is really about the relationship between people of the middle east and Americans, you need to blame our current incompetent Republican president George W. Bush for his failures to deter the attack on the belated World Trade Center and the murder of those people. Instead of reading some stupid book to some school children in a time of crisis, he should have been doing something about it unless he knew it was going to happen. He needed an excuse to go to war. The same like minded people put the tali ban in power, and interfered with their economic, and political systems. Plundering, and pillaging at will like barbarics, and expecting for peace and happiness among neighbors. Poster, you have it wrong. Your whole ideology is wrong. You should now understand why they hate us. I really should say, "Why they hate people like you."

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What stupid assumption would that be? all I said is if you believe the bible, so WTF is your deal?

Um this is a pointless question, what if CAT actully spelled dog, then what?
Lmao, this is you answering a question? How are YOU going to tell us that we should go to war against them? You don't even understand how to follow directions. If you were a soldier you'd die while taking a crap in the back set of an exploding car. Where do you come off? You're not the one who's going to sign up for war. you're the fat guy who watches Fox news 24/7 and puts a Support Our Troops sticker on your bumper to feel good about yourself. Get a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing life, or at least read a book or something.

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no human has the power to end islam. don't worry about it.
and I don't think that anyone has the balls to declare a war on 1.3 billion muslims. anyone who thinks can wage such war is absolutely retarded.
You're right. I'm more worried about people trying. I don't give a crap about Islam, I care more about America.

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Fortunatly we don't have to worry about 1.3 muslims actually coming together at once, the sunni's and shia can't even get along.
Brilliant idea. Let's give them a common enemy. /sarcasm

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Old 04-27-2008, 11:29 PM
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Take a better look. I'm not dancing to your commands. Keep up with the insults and you soon get to see my middle finger.

You want to see how the Koran covers up the term genocide then open your eyes to the world.
Where in the Koran does it say that genocide is not genocide if it is done in the name of Allah?

You told us it did. Where?

It is a simple question. You made a statement, can't you defend it?

Did you just make it up?

Was your statement just a lie?

You didn't use "open your eyes to the world" as your original reference. You used the Koran.

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Where in the Koran does it say that genocide is not genocide if it is done in the name of Allah?

You told us it did. Where?

It is a simple question. You made a statement, can't you defend it?

Did you just make it up?

Was your statement just a lie?

You didn't use "open your eyes to the world" as your original reference. You used the Koran.

Can you explain yourself?
The Koran does have passages that address killing Jews and pagans. But I don't believe the term "genocide" even existed in 600 AD.
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Old 04-28-2008, 06:27 AM
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Lmao, this is you answering a question? How are YOU going to tell us that we should go to war against them? You don't even understand how to follow directions. If you were a soldier you'd die while taking a crap in the back set of an exploding car. Where do you come off? You're not the one who's going to sign up for war. you're the fat guy who watches Fox news 24/7 and puts a Support Our Troops sticker on your bumper to feel good about yourself. Get a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing life, or at least read a book or something.

So you pose a hypothetical question, what happens if Islam ceases to exist and there is still violence. I decide that the question is illogical and then you respond with this rant, very interesting.

You would have to take into consideration the yoke that would be removed from the followers of Islam, maybe they would actually join the modern world. Maybe they would actually start to educate their people, other than sitting in a madras for 10 hrs repeating Koran passages. Hell people that can't read in these countries can recite the Koran from begining to end. Maybe there would actually be some industry in these countries, maybe there would be actual jobs for people to go to instead of sitting around all day with nothing to do. You take away the ideology that martyrdom is the only sure way heaven with the 72 virgins and all that crap, maybe they would have some respect for human life. Lets take Atta for example, he was un educated man but what prospects were there for him in the ME? What is the factor that made him think killing himself to take out some infidels was a good idea? Islam.

So I believe that if someone actually has something to live for then they are less likely to try to martyr themselves.


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Christianity is single handedly responsible for the majority of the world's charitable efforts. Christianity teaches forgiveness and loving your neighbor as yourself. What part of that is detrimental to society?

Some isolated factions have caused problems in the past? Is that all you got? Your stereotyping is no better than the racism of the 1950s and 1960s!!!





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You people don't really have a clue, do you?

All Ibrahamic religions (that means Christianity, Islam and Jeudaism) are as idiotic as any other religion you can mention or imagine. They should all be destroyed, and the sooner the better.

The reason why is not the obvious harm they have done and for which there is no resaon to suppose they will not do so again.

Killing in the name of these religions is commonplace and their wars usually just wipe out a few million. This nis peanuts given humanity's current population.

This is not the reason these idiocies are really dangerous.

The reason they are dangerous is that they work to eradicate the only source of reliable information that we have.
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Where in the Koran does it say that genocide is not genocide if it is done in the name of Allah?

You told us it did. Where?

It is a simple question. You made a statement, can't you defend it?

Did you just make it up?

Was your statement just a lie?

You didn't use "open your eyes to the world" as your original reference. You used the Koran.

Can you explain yourself?
gen·o·cide
–noun- the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.

You know in Islam it is called ----> Jihad.

So yea it's not genocide when done as the epiletic anti-Christ claims Allah commands for all Muslims to do to all pagans and followers of the book.
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You said to think before you post. Well, I read your hate filled anti-Islamic wittings. If anyone read that garbage, they would think that you are part of a hate organization. The truth is that instead of blaming all Muslims for your own distresses, you need to direct it in the right place. Since your point is really about the relationship between people of the middle east and Americans, you need to blame our current incompetent Republican president George W. Bush for his failures to deter the attack on the belated World Trade Center and the murder of those people. Instead of reading some stupid book to some school children in a time of crisis, he should have been doing something about it unless he knew it was going to happen. He needed an excuse to go to war. The same like minded people put the tali ban in power, and interfered with their economic, and political systems. Plundering, and pillaging at will like barbarics, and expecting for peace and happiness among neighbors. Poster, you have it wrong. Your whole ideology is wrong. You should now understand why they hate us. I really should say, "Why they hate people like you."

The spice must flow.
Last time I checked ,US citizens had been a attacked numerous time before 911 and obviously even 911 was planned well in advance of Bush becoming president,so its seems like the Islamic rage already existed.

Bush already had plenty of reasons to go to war the day he stepped into office.

BTW Im sure how running up multitrillion dollar war debt is going to balance out when we tally everything weve 'plundered'....lol.

What treasure have we got from this endeavor besides not being attacked here in America since that fateful day? Sand,Iraqi soccer players,camels,surplus AKs? I know its not oil.
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So you pose a hypothetical question, what happens if Islam ceases to exist and there is still violence. I decide that the question is illogical and then you respond with this rant, very interesting.

You would have to take into consideration the yoke that would be removed from the followers of Islam, maybe they would actually join the modern world. Maybe they would actually start to educate their people, other than sitting in a madras for 10 hrs repeating Koran passages. Hell people that can't read in these countries can recite the Koran from begining to end. Maybe there would actually be some industry in these countries, maybe there would be actual jobs for people to go to instead of sitting around all day with nothing to do. You take away the ideology that martyrdom is the only sure way heaven with the 72 virgins and all that crap, maybe they would have some respect for human life. Lets take Atta for example, he was un educated man but what prospects were there for him in the ME? What is the factor that made him think killing himself to take out some infidels was a good idea? Islam.
That's quite interesting rational, but you're not answering my question leaves you looking like an idiot. See, you assume that these countries are only violent because of Islam. I'm not going to tell you that's not true, but if they are not, then your stupid rational that we should try to civilize them is meaningless. If they are still a violent nation after Islam is destroyed, then giving them education only arms them to better compete on a militaristic level. In fact, that makes your whole argument look treasonous. They could rise up and destroy us, they are after all the largest oil producing region in the world.
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So I believe that if someone actually has something to live for then they are less likely to try to martyr themselves.
Really? I've always thought very highly of dying for one's country. In fact, I'm pretty sure that's how most armies are built.

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And an Anime geek calling me a fat guy who watches fox news thats rich.
Lmao why is that rich? Is it like a I've hit rock bottom sort of rich? Don't worry, it's not so bad to be out smarted by an anime geek. We are a superior breed, after all.
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You said to think before you post. Well, I read your hate filled anti-Islamic wittings. If anyone read that garbage, they would think that you are part of a hate organization.
It's easy to resort to namecalling and labels, when one cannot win a rational debate. How is the truth "hate filled" or "anti-Islamic"? how is an objective fact "garbage", pray tell? I don't see you contesting anything mentioned with facts or sources, but instead you hurl abuse, like a truculent child on a playground. To me, this says wonders.

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The truth is that instead of blaming all Muslims for your own distresses, you need to direct it in the right place. Since your point is really about the relationship between people of the middle east and Americans, you need to blame our current incompetent Republican president George W. Bush for his failures to deter the attack on the belated World Trade Center and the murder of those people.
This statement is so blatantly assine it bears a moment's attention. Explain to me how one man's incompetency justifies the deaths of 3000 people, please.

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Poster, you have it wrong.
If we have it wrong, then you'll have no problem refuting the facts and arguments posed here. Ignoring them and launching into a rant, proves nothing.

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Your whole ideology is wrong.
How enlightened of you to observe so, and how condescending.

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You should now understand why they hate us. I really should say, "Why they hate people like you."
Perhaps it's because of self-hating people like you that they hate us, because they know they can get away with any infamy, and there will be a handy apologist to come around and defend them.

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