New Crusades - Should Islam Be Destroyed? - Page 93

Matticus77 · #**921** (**permalink**) 05-03-2008, 11:46 PM

The Qua'ran says Islam is to be spread by the sword, death, and force. The Bible shows Chritianity to be spread by healing, love, service, and peace.

And if the "unbelievers" don't agree or follow?

...Opposites

Luke 9

1Then he called his twelve disciples together, and gave them power and authority over all devils, and to cure diseases.

2And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.

3And he said unto them, Take nothing for your journey, neither staves, nor scrip, neither bread, neither money; neither have two coats apiece.

4And whatsoever house ye enter into, there abide, and thence depart.

5And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them.

HT! · #**922** (**permalink**) 05-03-2008, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Daybreaker

Where have I heard this kind of rhetoric before? It sounds so familiar.

The years 1095-1272, maybe?

daily talk · #**923** (**permalink**) 05-04-2008, 01:53 AM

Holy Land is nothing but a stipulation by the Christians; for Muslim, Christian Holy Land is nothing but a place where they live. How do you think the people thriving there can allow the invasion of outsiders, epecially those which are born far from the Middle East and speak different language. Defense and offense are just terms of relativity. Christian first stipulate that a particular piece of lang is Holy Land and their invasion into this area of land is understood as defense; however, Muslim have the equal right to stipulate that the same area of land is their territory and any invasion is offense.
The so-called justice is defined on the basis of a set of moral primitives which cannot be falsified or justified. Christians have their own moral primitives; so do the Muslims.

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Originally Posted by PatriotNews

I don't know about the rest of you, but I am sick and tired of all the political correctness surrounding the "Religion of Peace". The media, the politicians and leaders of all the western countries around the world have allowed too much of this slaughters to continue under the guise of religious tolerance. It seems to me that one can only tolerate so much until you get to a breaking point and you have to say, enough is enough!

Many people don't realize that the Crusades were not an offensive but a defensive action by Christians who were being denied access to the Holy Land by the followers of this new religion, and it was invading its southern areas and countries under European control from Greece to Spain.

This is after all, a religion that most unbiased observers would agree, was created by a perverse old man for the express purpose of controlling his subjects, followers and his wives. Muhammad was not a prophet, but one of the false prophets that Jesus warned us about.

http://answering-islam.org/Quran/Con...riage_age.html

http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/playboy.html

Isn't anyone sick and tired of all the mayhem being committed worldwide in the name of Allah? How many times have you seen throngs of Muslims in the streets screaming death to Jews or America or Israel? They kill tens of people because a cartoon is printed in a newspaper. Who does this?

I think it is time to stop treating this religion as a religion, and call it was it really is, a political cult. It makes no difference between government and religion when it comes to laws or governance. I don't see any reason why it can't be banned. Anyone who wants to follow this "religion" should be encouraged to do so, in any Muslim country of their choice. Let's deport the ones we have, because if you ask me, they are all a threat to national security. When was the last time you saw Muslim Americans protesting in throngs in the streets about 9/11? About any act of terror? When have you ever seen any marching in the streets in support of our troops? Never.

So isn't it about time that we make a serious effort to effect a war not just on terrorism, but the root of terrorism, which is Islam?

eleanoraquitaine · #**924** (**permalink**) 05-04-2008, 07:06 AM

This topic is about islam, not Christianity. Whether or not Christianity is inherently violent or not is a totally different topic, and ridiculous. Even if it were true, which it is not, you can not justify the evil of islam by pointing to other evil. And, of course, the contrast between Jesus and muhammed couldn't be any clearer, literally the difference between good and evil. muhammed is far more like a Charlie Manson, hitler, or Stalin then Jesus and Christians aren't waging a global terrorism war. Get a grip.

The issue here is islam and the large number of muslims that follow it into evil. Why do muslims in such high numbers proclaim they are raping, thieving, and murdering in the name of islam? Becuase thats what islam says to do. Thats what muhammed said to do, and they view muhammed as a wonderful example to follow.

Its absolutely bizarre that is supposed "liberal" who favor allowing extremist totalitarians to take away all freedom from everyone under the guise of political correctness. islam seeks to dominate the entire world. Allowing it to spread and grow will mean the destruction of freedom for anyone who dares to disagree with the total idiocy of it.

Lackluster · #**925** (**permalink**) 05-04-2008, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Makedde

Whether some Muslims take the word of the Quran literally is not the point - it is not EVERY Muslim who follows the Quran in this way, simply a few.

I realize you are trying to defend people here, and I believe those Muslims who are not fundamentalist SHOULD be defended and supported, especially since they are the answer to the problem rather than the problem. I don't think it wise to minimize, however, as you claiming that just a "few" muslims are fundamentalist is way off the mark. Since you are not approaching the subject objectively here, your words simply act as apologia.

In Great Britain, for instance, a very large majority of Muslims want criticism of Islam punishable by law. That is quite simply NOT the reflection of a moderate and modern population, since it reflects the very essense of why fulndamentalist Islam is such at odds with the west -- because it allows for absolutely no disagreement. It is a totalitarian mindset that requires full conformity rather than a pluralist mindset that allows for differences. You claims that it is just "a few" misses this fact completely, and in the case I mentioned as to Britain, while we should support that minority who have managed to enter the modern world while rataining their Muslim identity, we shouldn't attempt to minimize the extent of the actual ideology.

Christians pick and chose those parts of the bible in which they believe. Muslims pick and chose which parts of the Q'ran in which they believe. The relative numbers of those who do so in each religion is quite different, however, as is the degrees with which they are willing to back up their beliefs with action. We should not lose sight of this fact by simply acting as apologists for that which we have not studied.

PatriotNews · #**926** (**permalink**) 05-04-2008, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Makedde

' eleanoraquitaine', if Christianity is not a threat to anyone, please explain this to me:

Seems to me that Christianity poses a danger to virgins, adulterers, menstruating women, and widows.

The first three quotes are from the Old Testament, and the latter one from Mark was refering to the Old Testament in the form of a question from the Sadduccees who were trying to trip up Jesus:

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18: Then come unto him the Sadducees, which say there is no resurrection; and they asked him, saying,
19: Master, Moses wrote unto us, If a man's brother die, and leave his wife behind him, and leave no children, that his brother should take his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.
20: Now there were seven brethren: and the first took a wife, and dying left no seed.
21: And the second took her, and died, neither left he any seed: and the third likewise.
22: And the seven had her, and left no seed: last of all the woman died also.
23: In the resurrection therefore, when they shall rise, whose wife shall she be of them? for the seven had her to wife.
24: And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?
25: For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven.
26: And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?
27: He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.

I don't believe the Jews of today are stoning anyone for violating the Old Testament

Andaras · #**927** (**permalink**) 05-05-2008, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by eleanoraquitaine

This topic is about islam, not Christianity. Whether or not Christianity is inherently violent or not is a totally different topic, and ridiculous. Even if it were true, which it is not, you can not justify the evil of islam by pointing to other evil. And, of course, the contrast between Jesus and muhammed couldn't be any clearer, literally the difference between good and evil. muhammed is far more like a Charlie Manson, hitler, or Stalin then Jesus and Christians aren't waging a global terrorism war. Get a grip.

The issue here is islam and the large number of muslims that follow it into evil. Why do muslims in such high numbers proclaim they are raping, thieving, and murdering in the name of islam? Becuase thats what islam says to do. Thats what muhammed said to do, and they view muhammed as a wonderful example to follow.

Its absolutely bizarre that is supposed "liberal" who favor allowing extremist totalitarians to take away all freedom from everyone under the guise of political correctness. islam seeks to dominate the entire world. Allowing it to spread and grow will mean the destruction of freedom for anyone who dares to disagree with the total idiocy of it.

Jesus' views are essentially a radical form of socialism, which is why the Christian Right completely ignore his views and instead take inspiration from the authoritarian God of the Old Testament.

SpankyTheWhale · #**928** (**permalink**) 05-05-2008, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Makedde

And only ignorant people claim that Christianity is a 'peaceful' religion, which it isn't. It's hate filled and judgemental.
Saying that is like saying only ignorant people believe children are being molested in the Catholic Church. Guess the CC hasn't been doing a lot for children lately, has it?

You don't HAVE to argue that one thing is just as bad as another thing. It is okay to say that (at least for a long time) Christianity IS better than Islam in the way that it is practiced.

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Originally Posted by Makedde

Christ allowed himself to be beaten half to death, then he allowed himself to be nailed to a cross - for what? To 'save' people who hasn't been born yet?

Don't make me laugh.

Now, I don't believe in Jesus as Savior any more than the next Jew, but to me, reading that, the Christ character that you are portraying has got to be the single most heroic guy ever, at least in what he hoped to accomplish and what he was willing to endure to achieve that.

SpankyTheWhale · #**929** (**permalink**) 05-05-2008, 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Andaras

Religion. All religion is reactionary backward moralistic garbage best left in the dustbin of history seeing as it's like thousands of years old, it has no relevance to modern society.

Do you believe in catastrophic global warming?

TheChief · #**930** (**permalink**) 05-05-2008, 03:50 AM

is iraq dead yet?

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