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Why did you bother posting all this rubbish?

You read what I posted yet you still defend Christianity?

You, my friend, are nothing but a hypocrite.
I think that eleanor not only read your post, but has attempted to address it like debate should be done.
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And yet no one seems to be defending those good Muslims we know are out there - except me.



I don't agree with them here, obviously, but perhaps they are so sick to death of their religion being criticised that they believe people should be punished? Not likely, but possible. They are very likely fed up.



Exactly. But the Muslim who interpret the Quran literally are not necessarily 'evil' as has been mentioned. I would say they are misguided more than anything.
The people who interpret the Bible literally are misguided, as are those Muslims to interpret their Holy book in a way it was never meant to be interpreted.


It's actually quite sickening to hear people judging an entire religion. Those who have not met every single Muslim out there cannot say, nor have any right to say that Islam is an evil religion. Do people even realise how hypocritical it is to judge a group of people without even knowing them? Obviously not. I bet those same people would kick up a stink if anyone dared judge them.
I daresay you are the textbook example of a Muslim apologist. Quite frankly, you can substitute "Muslim" for anything and you describe the textbook blueprint of apologism. It is okay to acknowledge the truth about what your arguments point toward and about what your opponent's arguments mean.
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First of all, Islam presumes the primacy of its faith over all other faiths. Muslims will show tolerance to the other "religions of the book," such as Christians and Jews, so long as those Christians and Jews show submission to Islam by pay the jiyza, but Islam teaches absolutely no tolerance to other faiths, such as Buddhists and Hindus.

Islam means submission. In religious terms this means that the Koran is divinely inspired, as related through the words of the Prophet. No Muslim can pick and choose which part of the Koran is true. If you are a Muslim, then you must believe the entire Koran is true, or you are an apostate. The Koran teaches that apostates must be killed, and, historically, every Muslim who has tried to reinterpret Islam by either being critical of or by changing the teachings in the Koran have been sentenced to death. Consequently, there are no Muslims who can "pick and choose" what part of the Koran to believe in. These people are simply not Muslim, in a Muslim's eyes.

Islam is not just a religion, but a political ideology. It requires that Islamic Law be the rule of every state, and that eventually Sharia will be global. Even Islamic moderates believe this. It is even written in the Charter of CAIR.

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The idea you shouldn't judge an ideology by its actions and words, simply because it sometimes calls itself a religion, is totally absurd. Calling islam evil is about the same as calling naziism evil only its more accurate in labeling islam, a much more evil ideology than naziism. Did every member of the nazi party murder a jew? No. Does that mean naziism was peaceful?

Religion or not, I judge islam by its words and actions. To be muslim, by definition, one has to accept that muhammed was a good example to follow. And, he wasn't. muhammed was a child rapist, thieving, raping, conquering madman. If muslims decide to reform their religion as others have done and rip out the violent pages and condemn muhammed as the evil freak he was, then they can join the civilized world as a peaceful religion. Until then, we will keep bombing them into submission.
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Qur'an 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.

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The idea you shouldn't judge an ideology by its actions and words, simply because it sometimes calls itself a religion, is totally absurd. Calling islam evil is about the same as calling naziism evil only its more accurate in labeling islam, a much more evil ideology than naziism. Did every member of the nazi party murder a jew? No. Does that mean naziism was peaceful?

Religion or not, I judge islam by its words and actions. To be muslim, by definition, one has to accept that muhammed was a good example to follow. And, he wasn't. muhammed was a child rapist, thieving, raping, conquering madman. If muslims decide to reform their religion as others have done and rip out the violent pages and condemn muhammed as the evil freak he was, then they can join the civilized world as a peaceful religion. Until then, we will keep bombing them into submission.
After 94 pages, you will don't understand the arguments against you?
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I never claimed that 100,000 civilians died by American hands. I merely state the fact that our invasion and occupation has resulted in 100,000 civilian deaths.

This is figure approximates the numbers from Iraq Body Count, the most well documented, and highly regarded, source of civilian Iraq deaths from violence during our war with Iraq.
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
So your logic is that if we are not there, the number will go down... That makes perfect sense... not.
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Modern day actions of both groups coupled with the teachings of each group shows a distinct difference. Christainity is responsible for the lion's share of the charity work performed around the globe! The charity is not reserved only for those who profess to be Christains either, non Christians benefit as much and Christians do. Show me a passage in the new testament (the teachings of Christ) that approves of and/or encourages the harming or killing of non beleivers. I'll be waiting!
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The idea you shouldn't judge an ideology by its actions and words, simply because it sometimes calls itself a religion, is totally absurd. Calling islam evil is about the same as calling naziism evil only its more accurate in labeling islam, a much more evil ideology than naziism. Did every member of the nazi party murder a jew? No. Does that mean naziism was peaceful?

Religion or not, I judge islam by its words and actions. To be muslim, by definition, one has to accept that muhammed was a good example to follow. And, he wasn't. muhammed was a child rapist, thieving, raping, conquering madman. If muslims decide to reform their religion as others have done and rip out the violent pages and condemn muhammed as the evil freak he was, then they can join the civilized world as a peaceful religion. Until then, we will keep bombing them into submission.
Perhaps this is a little off subject, but how strong is a god that has to depend on men to kill his enemies, and cannot do it himself?
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Perhaps this is a little off subject, but how strong is a god that has to depend on men to kill his enemies, and cannot do it himself?
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