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I hate to break this to ya, but Jesus was not asian.
Neither am I. Relevance?
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Neither am I. Relevance?
Koans are asian.
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Koans are asian.
Koans are simply riddles/paradoxes which expose truth through their examination. But, in any case, what does whether they are Asian or not have to do with the topic at hand?
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How can anyone say what the word of Jesus was? We all know how much can get lost in translation and over time. Nobody then had a tape recorder or was dictating.
Yes but thank God Christian theologians aren't radical muslims
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Koans are simply riddles/paradoxes which expose truth through their examination. But, in any case, what does whether they are Asian or not have to do with the topic at hand?
You are claiming that Jesus was a buddhist.

It's ridiculous.
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Yes but thank God Christian theologians aren't radical muslims
I don't accept that there really is such a thing as a radical muslim. There are muslims who have committed terrorism already and there are ones who have not. But, since islam itself is a terrorist ideology bent on world domination, they are all by definition radical if they call themself muslim. Saying "radical muslim" is just like saying "radical nazi."
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Qur'an:8:67 It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.
Qur'an 8:12 I will terrorize the unbelievers...Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.
Qur'an 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.

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You are claiming that Jesus was a buddhist.
Actually, I claimed he was a Zen Master. I don't see why it is ridiculous. Do you agree or disagree that Jesus spoke many koans, or riddles/paradoxes if you prefer? I quoted several that did NOT come from Jewish tradition. There is substantial evidence that Jesus COULD have had been exposed to Zen as the philosophy had made its way to areas that Jesus was known to have traveled to in his early life.
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Actually, I claimed he was a Zen Master.
Zen is a form of buddhism. By claiming Jesus was a Zen Master you are saying that he was a buddhist.



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I don't see why it is ridiculous. Do you agree or disagree that Jesus spoke many koans, or riddles/paradoxes if you prefer? I quoted several that did NOT come from Jewish tradition. There is substantial evidence that Jesus COULD have had been exposed to Zen as the philosophy had made its way to areas that Jesus was known to have traveled to in his early life.
He needn't have been exposed to buddhism to talk the way he did. Unless you have decent evidence, there is no reason to continue claiming the Jesus was a buddhist.
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Catholicism is a form of Christianity, but it is not the same thing as other forms of Christianity. Zen is not the same thing as Buddhism. I certainly am NOT claiming Jesus was a Buddhist. These are distinctly different things.

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He needn't have been exposed to buddhism to talk the way he did. Unless you have decent evidence, there is no reason to continue claiming the Jesus was a buddhist.
The only evidence I can give is historical evidence that he may/could have been exposed to the philosophy and the extreme similarity of many of his words to Zen along with the fact that there is NO precedent for them in Judaism.

As I said, it is not provable that Jesus was a Zen Master and it is not my goal to do so. I merely enjoy discussing Christ's words.
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Qur'an 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.

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Catholicism is a form of Christianity, but it is not the same thing as other forms of Christianity. Zen is not the same thing as Buddhism.
Zen is a form of buddhism. There are plenty of websites which you can check that confirm this fact.




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I certainly am NOT claiming Jesus was a Buddhist. These are distinctly different things.
By claiming that Jesus was a Zen Master, you are also claiming he was a buddhist.

Analogies would be:
A Rabbi is a Jew
A Priest is a Catholic
A Pug is a dog
A Zen Master is a Buddhist
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