MAYBE HE IS REALLY REALLY A GOOD GUY! - Page 2

JP5 · #11 (**permalink**) 08-11-2004, 07:57 PM

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I don't know if Kerry is a "good guy" or not. But from what I've seen so far, he just may not be. Anyone who lied about being on a "secret miission" in Cambodia to smear his president and his country, And anyone who lied before a Senate Committee about his fellow Vietnam brothers committing atrocities and while the war was still in progress........... I'm sorry.......I don't think he's a good guy.

That was a long time ago. People change. Certainly George W Bush changed since his early days. We can't chastize people for what they did during their youth, if we did, there would be no one good enough to serve us, and frankly, I am a believer that we learn from our mistakes. Whether or not KErry has learned from his mistakes is another question entirely.

So....if he's changed his positions on those points, he needs to say so and apologize to all those Vietnam guys he accused of atrocities. And it seems on the "Cambodia lie"....they haven't explained it. And these are not minor things here. In the Cambodia lie.....he was doing it to smear his president and his country at the time. Just as he was when he accused his fellow Vietnam brothers of those atrocities saying that our government "forced them to do those things." Same with the Cambodia lie: if he's changed his mind, he needs to apologize for unjustly smearing a president of the U.S. and his country at that time(1986) by making up that lie.

I want someone as president who truly loves this country as much as I do. Not someone who will lie about it....not someone who will lie and provide propaganda to our enemies. I get the impression that John Kerry thinks more of France than he does his own country.

I'm usually a pretty good judge of character. And I'm not seeing any in John Kerry. At least Bill Clinton's character flaws were only of a personal nature. I never once thought Clinton didn't love this country with all his heart and soul. He would not have sold us out. I'm not so sure about John Kerry. Kerry seemed to object to Clinton's second Inaugural address....when he said our nation was "indispensable." Kerry thought that was "arrogant." Besides, we're not talking about chastizing someone for something they said in their youth. The Cambodia lie was told in 1986 when he was Senator. And by then, he had been back from Vietnam for about 16 years.

MUNKO-1970 · #12 (**permalink**) 08-11-2004, 08:02 PM

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I don't know if Kerry is a "good guy" or not. But from what I've seen so far, he just may not be. Anyone who lied about being on a "secret miission" in Cambodia to smear his president and his country, And anyone who lied before a Senate Committee about his fellow Vietnam brothers committing atrocities and while the war was still in progress........... I'm sorry.......I don't think he's a good guy.

That was a long time ago. People change. Certainly George W Bush changed since his early days. We can't chastize people for what they did during their youth, if we did, there would be no one good enough to serve us, and frankly, I am a believer that we learn from our mistakes. Whether or not KErry has learned from his mistakes is another question entirely.

So....if he's changed his positions on those points, he needs to say so and apologoze to all those Vietnam guys he accused of atrocirites. And it seems on the "Cambodia lie"....they haven't explained it. And these are not minor things here. In the Cambodia lie.....he was doing it to smear his president and his country at the time. Just as he was when he accused his fellow Vietnam brothers of those atrocities saying that our government "forced them to do those things." Same with the Cambodia lie: if he's changed his mind, he needs to apologize for unjustly smearing a president of the U.S. and his country at that time(1986) by making up that lie.

I want someone as president who truly loves this country as much as I do. Not someone who will lie about it....not someone who will lie and provide propaganda to our enemies. I get the impression that John Kerry thinks more of France than he does his own country.

I'm usually a pretty good judge of character. And I'm not seeing any in John Kerry. At least Bill Clinton's character flaws were only of a personal nature. I never once thought Clinton didn't love this country with all his heart and soul. He would not have sold us out. I'm not so sure about John Kerry. Kerry seemed to object to Clinton's second Innagural address....when he said our nation was "indespensible." Kerry thought that was "arrogant."

Allright, MS CLEO!!! That is laughable, coming from you......You honestly think KERRY hates America? Maybe the Kerry and his wife are too "sophisticated" for you.

In that case, would you have considered Sen Edwards if he won the nomination? He ii a down to earth ol' Southern Boy..

MarkH · #13 (**permalink**) 08-11-2004, 09:50 PM

What he testified about is true. Or have you been living in a cave?

Now, are ALL Vietnam vets BAD?

Of COUSE NOT!!!! But because of the poor Repiglican (and Democratic) leadership, there were plenty of bad soldiers and commanders too. It is why Kerry spoke out, bravely and as an American.

#14 (**permalink**) 08-11-2004, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JP5";p=&quot

I don't know if Kerry is a "good guy" or not. But from what I've seen so far, he just may not be. Anyone who lied about being on a "secret miission" in Cambodia to smear his president and his country, And anyone who lied before a Senate Committee about his fellow Vietnam brothers committing atrocities and while the war was still in progress........... I'm sorry.......I don't think he's a good guy.

That was a long time ago. People change. Certainly George W Bush changed since his early days. We can't chastize people for what they did during their youth, if we did, there would be no one good enough to serve us, and frankly, I am a believer that we learn from our mistakes. Whether or not KErry has learned from his mistakes is another question entirely.

So....if he's changed his positions on those points, he needs to say so and apologoze to all those Vietnam guys he accused of atrocirites. And it seems on the "Cambodia lie"....they haven't explained it. And these are not minor things here. In the Cambodia lie.....he was doing it to smear his president and his country at the time. Just as he was when he accused his fellow Vietnam brothers of those atrocities saying that our government "forced them to do those things." Same with the Cambodia lie: if he's changed his mind, he needs to apologize for unjustly smearing a president of the U.S. and his country at that time(1986) by making up that lie.

I want someone as president who truly loves this country as much as I do. Not someone who will lie about it....not someone who will lie and provide propaganda to our enemies. I get the impression that John Kerry thinks more of France than he does his own country.

I'm usually a pretty good judge of character. And I'm not seeing any in John Kerry. At least Bill Clinton's character flaws were only of a personal nature. I never once thought Clinton didn't love this country with all his heart and soul. He would not have sold us out. I'm not so sure about John Kerry. Kerry seemed to object to Clinton's second Innagural address....when he said our nation was "indespensible." Kerry thought that was "arrogant."

Allright, MS CLEO!!! That is laughable, coming from you......You honestly think KERRY hates America? Maybe the Kerry and his wife are too "sophisticated" for you.

In that case, would you have considered Sen Edwards if he won the nomination? He ii a down to earth ol' Southern Boy..

If Kerry loves America so much, why does the company his wife owns have 57 of their 79 plants located outside the US? He complained about Bush sending jobs overseas... aghem. Hypocrisy is tasty.

MUNKO-1970 · #15 (**permalink**) 08-12-2004, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by HansMoleman";p=&quot

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Originally Posted by JP5";p=&quot

I don't know if Kerry is a "good guy" or not. But from what I've seen so far, he just may not be. Anyone who lied about being on a "secret miission" in Cambodia to smear his president and his country, And anyone who lied before a Senate Committee about his fellow Vietnam brothers committing atrocities and while the war was still in progress........... I'm sorry.......I don't think he's a good guy.

That was a long time ago. People change. Certainly George W Bush changed since his early days. We can't chastize people for what they did during their youth, if we did, there would be no one good enough to serve us, and frankly, I am a believer that we learn from our mistakes. Whether or not KErry has learned from his mistakes is another question entirely.

So....if he's changed his positions on those points, he needs to say so and apologoze to all those Vietnam guys he accused of atrocirites. And it seems on the "Cambodia lie"....they haven't explained it. And these are not minor things here. In the Cambodia lie.....he was doing it to smear his president and his country at the time. Just as he was when he accused his fellow Vietnam brothers of those atrocities saying that our government "forced them to do those things." Same with the Cambodia lie: if he's changed his mind, he needs to apologize for unjustly smearing a president of the U.S. and his country at that time(1986) by making up that lie.

I want someone as president who truly loves this country as much as I do. Not someone who will lie about it....not someone who will lie and provide propaganda to our enemies. I get the impression that John Kerry thinks more of France than he does his own country.

I'm usually a pretty good judge of character. And I'm not seeing any in John Kerry. At least Bill Clinton's character flaws were only of a personal nature. I never once thought Clinton didn't love this country with all his heart and soul. He would not have sold us out. I'm not so sure about John Kerry. Kerry seemed to object to Clinton's second Innagural address....when he said our nation was "indespensible." Kerry thought that was "arrogant."

Allright, MS CLEO!!! That is laughable, coming from you......You honestly think KERRY hates America? Maybe the Kerry and his wife are too "sophisticated" for you.

In that case, would you have considered Sen Edwards if he won the nomination? He ii a down to earth ol' Southern Boy..

If Kerry loves America so much, why does the company his wife owns have 57 of their 79 plants located outside the US? He complained about Bush sending jobs overseas... aghem. Hypocrisy is tasty.

the plants were owned by Teresa's deceased Republican ex- husband. And at the time, the Republicans were proud of Mr and Mrs Heinz..

Am I mistaken..?

mpotter · #16 (**permalink**) 08-12-2004, 07:14 AM

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He may be "dour, too serious, inflexible at times, un-inspiring" but he might be a really caring and genuine person. Never heard of this until today..

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/st.../516309920.htm

It may not make you VOTE for him (God forbid, JP5) but I hope you and Therese can remove the "evil eye".

Here is the link again: http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/st...516309920.html

MUNKO-1970 · #17 (**permalink**) 08-12-2004, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mpotter";p=&quot

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Originally Posted by MUNKO-1970";p=&quot

He may be "dour, too serious, inflexible at times, un-inspiring" but he might be a really caring and genuine person. Never heard of this until today..

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/st.../516309920.htm

It may not make you VOTE for him (God forbid, JP5) but I hope you and Therese can remove the "evil eye".

Here is the link again: http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/st...516309920.html

It was late and I was falling asleep at the "keyboard"!!

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