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Old 04-05-2008, 02:57 PM
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Well, are you bemoaning the fact that we have succeeded in enlisting the media on our side while your side layed around presuming equality would magically exist without your putting forth effort? Looks like your candidate McCain is doing the exact same thing..............if he chooses to sit idly by and refuse to capitalize on our unfortunate squabbles, then he deserves to get defeated in Nov.
At what point did I say that McCain was my candidate. I can't stand his liberal bend on many of the issues I find important.

Thank you for finally admitting that the media is on YOUR side.
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Dominate the message being given? I remember when move.on posted a video about Saddam being on the CIA payroll. I researched it and found it to be true. Yet no mention of it from the corporate media. Give an example of any message being given that is dominated by the organizations you mentioned.

Who did you research it with? From UCLA not a bastion of Conservative thought http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla...px?RelNum=6664 says it is, regardless of your cute little video.

Yet thousands of environmental impact stories never make it to the mainstream media, many stories about corporate fraud never make it, stories of blatant corruption and secrecy are ignored. I can give so many concrete examples of concerns that the media totally ignored. See post #2 for a few examples.

So you are saying that because thousands of your pet little stories never make the show means there is no bias?

All the debates are a joke. All the questions are pre-approved by a committee that is representative of both parties. As for the Democrats not being involved in a debate on FOX, can you blame them.
Yes, it shows weakness and an inability to talk to all people.


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Who did you research it with? From UCLA not a bastion of Conservative thought http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla...px?RelNum=6664 says it is, regardless of your cute little video.
That study has been debunked so many times.
http://www.brendan-nyhan.com/blog/20...oblems_wi.html
http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/%7Emyl/lan...es/001169.html
http://mediamatters.org/items/200512220003
http://media.eriposte.com/2-9.htm

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So you are saying that because thousands of your pet little stories never make the show means there is no bias?
Those are not little stories. Do you think selling US Nuclear secrets to Pakistan is a little story?

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No it doesn't. These candidates know how much Fox distorts things. No intelligent person in their right mind would go on Fox.
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Thank you for finally admitting that the media is on YOUR side.
Really, we no longer have to hide from our roots or successes. Since socialism is the modern identity of America (and soon, the world), why shouldn't the media be onboard with helping finish the work we started long ago? Even those of you who think you're still "conservative" have tolerated the shift to social collectivism and government redistribution of wealth with little more than an obligatory whimper.
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Often you here from the right that the media is slanted to the left. Yet they cannot prove this assertion. I will show you that the mainstream American media does not slant or is biased towards the left.

One argument I have heard is that an overwhelming amount of journalists and newscasters are Liberal. I am not going to argue that point. The point is that the news we read in our newspaper and see on TV is finalized by editors who have to answer to CEOs who have to answer to their corporate advertisers. Also keep in mind that the News agencies have a strong relationship with their corporate shareholders and owners.



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YouTube - How The News Works
I still don't feel like finding some form of hard facts against this, simply because it's done in a way that few people could criticize correctly. However, you're such an easy target, that I feel like firing off a few rounds with my eyes closed.

Let's take something that's common knowledge and apply it to what the film said. Let's start by paraphrasing the film: corporations subsidize the media and the media doesn't want to (*)(*)(*)(*) off it's sponsors. I thought this was particularly delightful because I am republican, and that means that even if I'm wrong and you're right on this issue, I still win because I have the power. So I'm going to take a second to laugh: hahahaha. Now, I'm going to make some assumption: people who own corporations must have an extreme amount of money to do this. I think that's a safe assumption, tell me if I'm wrong. Now I'm going to preform magic as I flush your entire argument down the toilet. Ready for it? Here it is: the richest men in America are democrats. Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, two of the richest men in the world, they're both in America and they're both democrats. I suppose I don't have an argument, but if the two richest people in the democratic party don't try to influence the media, then it's their own fault. They have the money, they have the power, why aren't they fixing this outrageous problem!? oh, it's not real, I forgot.
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I still don't feel like finding some form of hard facts against this, simply because it's done in a way that few people could criticize correctly. However, you're such an easy target, that I feel like firing off a few rounds with my eyes closed.

Let's take something that's common knowledge and apply it to what the film said. Let's start by paraphrasing the film: corporations subsidize the media and the media doesn't want to (*)(*)(*)(*) off it's sponsors. I thought this was particularly delightful because I am republican, and that means that even if I'm wrong and you're right on this issue, I still win because I have the power. So I'm going to take a second to laugh: hahahaha. Now, I'm going to make some assumption: people who own corporations must have an extreme amount of money to do this. I think that's a safe assumption, tell me if I'm wrong. Now I'm going to preform magic as I flush your entire argument down the toilet. Ready for it? Here it is: the richest men in America are democrats. Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, two of the richest men in the world, they're both in America and they're both democrats. I suppose I don't have an argument, but if the two richest people in the democratic party don't try to influence the media, then it's their own fault. They have the money, they have the power, why aren't they fixing this outrageous problem!? oh, it's not real, I forgot.
Don't forget all the Hollywood players (actors, producers, studio heads, record label heads, directors, etc.) who are among the wealthiest in the country and all of them probably 90% liberal. Powerhouses like Speilberg, Oprah, David Geffen, and so many others who have the power to influence the media through tv, music, movies, etc.

Most people are not avid newshounds and get their news and perspectives from pop culture in the form of Hollywood and it's image of the world.
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Really, we no longer have to hide from our roots or successes. Since socialism is the modern identity of America (and soon, the world), why shouldn't the media be onboard with helping finish the work we started long ago? Even those of you who think you're still "conservative" have tolerated the shift to social collectivism and government redistribution of wealth with little more than an obligatory whimper.
There is much truth to this. I might modify it a bit by replacing the word "socialism" with "statism."

Statism is the true religion of the secular west. Like religion in general it is based on faith in something unseen, in this case the efficacy and virtue of government when it tries to fill complex human needs. Unlike most other religions - which while lacking evidence to prove their faith at least do obviously contradict evidence disproving it - there is ample evidence disproving the efficacy and virtue of government in meeting complex human needs, but it is deliberately ignored or denied by the faithful. And those faithful have both "D" and "R" after their names.

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"Socialism," "Statism," "Communism," or whatever one wishes to call it.............is the only possible salvation we can count on. We have evolved as far as we could in tolerating individual liberties as our first priority. Nowadays, there are far too many people around with far too many opinions for us to simply throw our well-being out to the whims of the masses. Proper leadership with central planning is the only rational answer to today's problems.

Actually, as we've already agreed, the transition of America away from the notions of individualism and into the modern world of collective administration of our needs is nearly complete. I only hope we can speed up the process by voting more "liberals" and Democrats into power before the problems of healthcare and global warming become too great for us to counteract.

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