Obviously your a proponent of the 'Nanny State'. The 'Nanny State' fails to take into account that people are adults and capable of making their own decisions. However Capitalism in it's pure, unadulterated form leaves many behind. This is the current conundrum of the West.

The only answer is the middle ground because it is obvious we humans can never mimic idea's in their true form because they are invariably used by people seeking power as a means to gain that power.

Capitalism and Democracy as practiced in the US right now is an illusion.

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I'll tell you this no eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn
Nothing to kill or die for and no religion too
You may bury my body, down by the highway side,
so my old evil spirit can get a Greyhound bus and ride.

If you're in the middle, then how much "bad" do you consider a "good" thing? 50%?

If you mean the US doesn't actually practice capitalism and democracy, then you're correct. Liberalism/Communism has been quite successful in diluting the capitalistic system to a point that legal business no longer operates at any level without government regulation of everything from wages to safety to prices.

Only a few remaining "freedoms" are left to dismantle as we progress into the modern global society we are destined to be. With Hillary or Obama in leadership, welcome change is at hand.

I find your views scary. Your av combined with your words remind me of that "1984" youtube that was the buzz some months back.

You represent a prevalent view, but as my username suggests I believe it is a flawed and doomed one. Statism has been the common religion for 100 years; it has failed to accomplish the goals the original Progressives hoped it would accomplish, has taken many of the satisfactions out of life, weakened communities, and in some cases led to oceans of blood spilled.

Wikipedia is the correct model for the future, and for maximizing human well being. Spontaneous order, dispersed knowledge, cooperation without coercion.

The rule of law is not mentioned in your post, and properly so, since the statist world you describe crowds it out. The "dangers" you perceive from giving room for individual liberty are real, but they are fully contained by limited government that enforces the rule of law.

Many of the abuses that you would ascribe to liberty or "laissez faire" are instead products of statism -discriminatory favors handed out by the state to well connected rent seekers. Name almost any abuse and I will identify a rent-seeking interest and statist suspension of the rule of law that are actually responsible.

America's founders realized that men were not angels, and so limited government is necessary. They did not hold the Macchiavellian view that you implicitly share, which is that man is evil and must be controlled by a powerful prince or state. Instead they held the traditional view, that man is a "mixed bag" of virtue and vice, "created in the image of God but fallen" to use the lovely metaphor of those faiths. Given this nature, free markets and free societies under the rule of law are best suited to building The Good Society.

So what you're saying is that Hillary Clinton is the terminator, and the day she's elected is judgment day.

What a ridiculous question. From my viewpoint anyone who espouses only one set of ideals and does not even seek to understand other peoples beliefs then they are 'bad'.

Please never call yourself a Liberal. You are a Collectivist Statist, not a Liberal. Stop tarnishing the name of Liberalism with your Statist bull. Capitalism and Representative Democracy came from Liberals.

The problem with your idea is that everyone is evil and cannot be trusted to think for themselves which I find very offending, because I certainly can think for myself, I'm not sure about you, but I can . People don't want a world government because it could and probably would be used by some Dictatorial, Totalitarian, Oppressive government.

Whatever world government comes about will likely come about through war. The society your thinking of is absurd. It is absurd because if we placed all sovereignty in one entity, that entity could abuse it's power and no one could do anything. It would be Marx's worse nightmare, a ruling Elite that openly and flagrantly abused it's power in contempt of the proletarian which carried the elites lifestyles.

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I'll tell you this no eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn
Nothing to kill or die for and no religion too
You may bury my body, down by the highway side,
so my old evil spirit can get a Greyhound bus and ride.

You speak as if it's "game over" time for progressives, but agree with me that our society has embraced socialism to the point of the elimination of capitalism and the liberties dreamed of by individualists. Got news for ya. The US conversion to total socialism is nearly complete. Oh, there will always be a minor underground of detractors..........but we've adopted too many totalitarian socialist policies to ever return to the conservative society that once defined American life.

When we finally rid ourselves of obstacles to the completion of our progressive society by eliminating archaic conservatism, we will be ready to join the global community as the world citizens we are destined to be. Have you noticed the complete void of conservatives campaigning for the November elections? CHANGE is coming!

You are a fool, sir. Change is will only come about if the majority of the worlds population think the change is occuring. I'm a Classical Liberal and more importantly an Individualist who champions the idea that everyone is capable of making their decisions and fulfilling their own destiny. I'm not a brainwashed robot, unlike some people *cough, cough*.

The US is the most capitalist country on the planet and will always be. With this idea alone, the US will lead the world to a new age of prosperity based on individualism, something that'll make you lazy collectivists so mad.

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I'll tell you this no eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn
Nothing to kill or die for and no religion too
You may bury my body, down by the highway side,
so my old evil spirit can get a Greyhound bus and ride.

Proof to back up your statements: 1/3 of Americans own a 401k/Roth IRA/trade stocks. The stock market is pure capitalistic genius. The 1/3 is also a screwed statistic because elderly and very young people cannot access these types of vehicles. The other half are just stupid or poor.

I think it's about half of all households that own these things.

Marx was right: In the future, the workers will own the means of production. The future is halfway here when half of all households own 401Ks and IRAs containing shares of companies. Power to the people!