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Old 04-10-2008, 07:00 AM
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This response by Geoff Nunberg sums it up.

Or as %&%& mentions

Seriously the ACLU had a score of 49.8 49.8, putting it just on the "conservative" side of the ledger. Shouldn't that alone tell you this study is flawed.
This flaw shows up constantly through the study. You can see one of the many problems in determining it's system here:

As for your quote from the study, it didn't happen
You will see now how both assertions will fit into this.
The part in Red is what you addressed. This is what should have been done.

Seriously I found about 20 more studies that have debunked the Groseclose and Milyo Study. It would literally take me weeks to go into the details.
You did not prove that the owners of media outlets are exceedingly liberal. Please show all of them and who they voted for. As for relevant figures how is the music industry or the movie industry relevant to the media (News).
You didn't debunk it. You named two WW2 presidents. I said liberals don't bomb countries meaning actual liberals and not pretend liberals under the guise of the Democrat Party. Please show me where liberals are for bombing countries. Also most liberals do not agree with American Foreign Policy that every President including the Democrats have partaken in. (eg. support for Israel, Saudi Arabia, ignoring environmental laws, embargo on Cuba, CIA killings...etc). Sorry, not liberals.
Most people don't watch the news regularly and get a bulk of their opinions from the influence of the entertainment media. Movies, music, tv, etc. are vastly liberal and pump this agenda from all sides and people form their opinions based on the latest George Clooney cause or statement from Rosie or rants on stage by groups like Rage Against the Machine.

Guys like Jon Stewart, although funny, are admitted liberals who put forth comedy form a liberal point of view. Same with SNL, Letterman, Bill Maher, etc.

Seriously, and Dennis Miller ( a lonely Hollywood conservative) talked about this recently on his radio show, probably 8 out of 10 Hollywood players are Democratic/liberal maybe more.

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Old 04-10-2008, 08:56 AM
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Even your own answer doesn't disprove what I said. They were fired for "falsifying stories" not for "being biased"

There are 2 Richard Glass's that work in the media. Which one?
For falsifying stories, every single one of them with a liberal bias. The only Glass I know is the one fired for making up stories. Also a liberal.
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Old 04-10-2008, 08:59 AM
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Here is a good article on the subject of the liberal media

So if the media is so 'liberal biased' why would they not cover stories that are unfavorable to the Bush administration, and give so much coverage to stories unfavorable to Democrats?

Answer: Because it isn't.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwa...dia/index.html
Easy, because it is an election year and Obama's stories are current news. You answered your own question, five year war. Five years of coverage versus something new.
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Easy, because it is an election year and Obama's stories are current news. You answered your own question, five year war. Five years of coverage versus something new.
You can't expect him to come to logical conclusions like that.
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Old 04-10-2008, 09:19 AM
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This response by Geoff Nunberg sums it up.
His evidence is anecdotal, there will be situations in his example like that, but they will be the exception and not the rule.

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Or as %&%& mentions

Seriously the ACLU had a score of 49.8 49.8, putting it just on the "conservative" side of the ledger. Shouldn't that alone tell you this study is flawed.
Not really because maybe it means the ACLU has a better perception among conservatives than thought. More importantly, as you look across the list nearly all except a small handful appear on the correct list as one would think.

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This flaw shows up constantly through the study. You can see one of the many problems in determining it's system here:
Except Don Rumsfeld is not a think tank and quoting a think tank is far more unusual than Rumsfeld or any other cabinet member.

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As for your quote from the study, it didn't happen
Yes it happened, it is explained right in the study that they did it.

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You will see now how both assertions will fit into this.
Actually they explain it nicely and cover it in the report Because of this anomaly, in the Appendix we report the results when we repeat all of our analyses but omit the ACLU data.

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The part in Red is what you addressed. This is what should have been done.
That is incorrect, the point is to show how they align ideologically. Positive references provide that, a negative reference would only skew the score artificially to the right if R's constantly attack them.

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Seriously I found about 20 more studies that have debunked the Groseclose and Milyo Study. It would literally take me weeks to go into the details.
Seriously, I could find just as many that support it.

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You did not prove that the owners of media outlets are exceedingly liberal. Please show all of them and who they voted for. As for relevant figures how is the music industry or the movie industry relevant to the media (News).
I showed who they support financially, and it is the Democrat party. And in terms of what companies, here they are. And they all support dems with the exception of two. And the "conservative" Clear Channel was barely over 50%. The other 18 were all dems. And of course all the big ones support D's like Comcast, Time Warner, Disney (ABC), News Corp, and GE (NBC/MSNBC). http://www.opensecrets.org/industrie...B02&cycle=2008

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You didn't debunk it. You named two WW2 presidents. I said liberals don't bomb countries meaning actual liberals and not pretend liberals under the guise of the Democrat Party. Please show me where liberals are for bombing countries. Also most liberals do not agree with American Foreign Policy that every President including the Democrats have partaken in. (eg. support for Israel, Saudi Arabia, ignoring environmental laws, embargo on Cuba, CIA killings...etc). Sorry, not liberals.
Yes, it was completely debunked. They refer to themselves as liberals. Other liberals refer to them as liberals. And historians refer to them as liberals. The only one saying they are not liberals is you. And your opinion does not outweigh their own reflection, historians and the numerous others. I proved where liberals bomb countries, FDR and Truman. And that's just in the US. Stalin/Lenin, Pol Pot, a number of others.
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Coal-to-liquid R's: 90% YES. D's: 78% NO.
Oil Shale Exploration R's: 90% YES. D's: 86% NO.
Outer Continental Shelf Exploration R's: 81% YES. D's: 83% NO.
Increased Refinery Capacity R's: 97% YES. D's: 96% NO

SUMMARY: 91% of House Republicans have historically voted to increase the production of America’s own oil and gas. 86% of House Democrats have historically voted against.
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Old 04-10-2008, 11:48 AM
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Easy, because it is an election year and Obama's stories are current news. You answered your own question, five year war. Five years of coverage versus something new.
Yes but where are all the smear stories against McCain. It is an election year and there are 2 parties running, not one. As for the war there is always something new happening. I noticed you missed the Yoo and Mukasey stories. Seriously why is the media spending so much attention on Obama's bowling scores instead of real issues?
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Yes but where are all the smear stories against McCain. It is an election year and there are 2 parties running, not one. As for the war there is always something new happening. I noticed you missed the Yoo and Mukasey stories. Seriously why is the media spending so much attention on Obama's bowling scores instead of real issues?
Maybe because like some past issues you are seeing what you want to see and filtering out the rest? Not sure how else to account for it, but all you need to do is look. There are plenty of stories on McCain about staying in Iraq as well as pre-emptive war. Additionally, there are more new things on Obama than McCain. Which is why there were more negative stories on Bush than Gore in 2000.
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Outer Continental Shelf Exploration R's: 81% YES. D's: 83% NO.
Increased Refinery Capacity R's: 97% YES. D's: 96% NO

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Yes but where are all the smear stories against McCain. It is an election year and there are 2 parties running, not one. As for the war there is always something new happening. I noticed you missed the Yoo and Mukasey stories. Seriously why is the media spending so much attention on Obama's bowling scores instead of real issues?
Did it ever occur to you that maybe liberals want attention?
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Yes but where are all the smear stories against McCain. It is an election year and there are 2 parties running, not one. As for the war there is always something new happening. I noticed you missed the Yoo and Mukasey stories. Seriously why is the media spending so much attention on Obama's bowling scores instead of real issues?
you dont think its a real issue who his mentor is? what if bush's mentor was hitler? im sure you would have a problem with that..
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Maybe because like some past issues you are seeing what you want to see and filtering out the rest? Not sure how else to account for it, but all you need to do is look. There are plenty of stories on McCain about staying in Iraq as well as pre-emptive war.
Yes there are negative stories about McCain but they are only a fraction of the stories about Obama. That was brought up in the article. Remember the numbers.
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Additionally, there are more new things on Obama than McCain.
Not really. Most of it is rehashing the same old stuff.How long has this Wright-Obama thing gone on for?
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Which is why there were more negative stories on Bush than Gore in 2000.
The way I remember it they were about even but the press was still criticizing Clinton a lot at that time.
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