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Old 04-02-2008, 06:43 AM
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Ummm, what? I think you missed the point I was trying to make. Liberal basically means freedom, liberal media = free press. I think your associating liberal with left wing politics a bit too much.
Then in that case FOX news would be a liberal press since they are airing views freely that don't normally get airtime.

For the purposes of this discussion liberal does mean left wing/Democratic.

I'm in favor of a liberal press by your definition though. All ideas and news should get equal coverage and access.
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Ummm, what? I think you missed the point I was trying to make. Liberal basically means freedom, liberal media = free press. I think your associating liberal with left wing politics a bit too much.
The point you were trying to make is bunk. Sure, one meaning of "liberal" is "free, or freedom-loving," but we are referring to a particular political and social viewpoint that is also called "liberal." There is a disparity between classical liberalism, which seems to favor what you think is going on, qwerty, and the current American ideological set known collectively as "liberalism." In terms of this debate, liberal is a particular slant or perspective, and has nothing to do with loving freedom.
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Often you here from the right that the media is slanted to the left. Yet they cannot prove this assertion. I will show you that the mainstream American media does not slant or is biased towards the left.

One argument I have heard is that an overwhelming amount of journalists and newscasters are Liberal. I am not going to argue that point.
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The point is that the news we read in our newspaper and see on TV is finalized by editors who have to answer to CEOs who have to answer to their corporate advertisers.
Media conglomerates are far more liberal than conservative. Outfits like Viacom who give far more to the dems than the R's. Additionally there have been three studies (one by Stanford) proving a liberal bias in the media.
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Ummmm....maybe because these stories come from kook websites? I can come up with a story in the National Enquirer about an alien giving birth to a two headed walrus, it doesn't mean the story should lead CBS news.
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Ummmm....maybe because these stories come from kook websites? I can come up with a story in the National Enquirer about an alien giving birth to a two headed walrus, it doesn't mean the story should lead CBS news.
Hey! I resent that you don't consider those type of outlets as viable news!!

How DARE you think articles like Thomas Jefferson's Secret Alien Love Child aren't viable news!

I'm giving you a big fat red dot!
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There is ample proof of a liberal media, it's just that liberals won't admit to it.

Look at the CBS story below. How could legendary news organization CBS, legendary investigative news program 60 Minutes, and legendary news anchor Dan Rather put such smear on the air 2 months before the 2004 election? These people are professionals, not high school newspaper volunteers. It was done purposefully and intentionally to effect the outcome of the election:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/TV/01/10/cbs.guard/

NEW YORK (CNN) -- CBS News has ousted four employees over its "60 Minutes Wednesday" report about President Bush's National Guard service, the network said Monday.

The network fired Mary Mapes, producer of the report. Senior Vice President Betsy West was asked to resign, along with Josh Howard, executive producer of "60 Minutes Wednesday," and his top deputy, Mary Murphy.

In a statement released later in the day, Mapes insisted that the story was neither false nor misleading and accused CBS chief executive Leslie Moonves of "vitriolic scapegoating."

Dan Rather, anchor of the "CBS Evening News," who was the story's correspondent, announced in November he would be stepping down from his anchor position in March. Rather did not mention the controversy when he made his announcement. (Full story)

Rather was absent Monday from "CBS Evening News." The broadcast led with a report on the panel's findings.

According to a CBS statement, an independent panel appointed by the network concluded that CBS News failed to follow basic journalistic principles in putting together the piece, which aired September 8.

The panel's report said a "myopic zeal" led the program to air a story critical of Bush's service record that was based on documents that might have been forged.

The report also faulted CBS staffers involved for a "rigid and blind defense" of the story after it aired, despite growing questions about the documents.
Thanks for putting this up. You are only helping prove my assertions. In September of 2007 Dan Rather filed charges in court against CBS.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/blument...n_rather_suit/
http://www.gregpalast.com/dan-crashes-bush-flies-high/
In November 2007 CBS tried to dismiss the charges.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/16/bu...a95&ei=5087%0A
On January 8th 2008 the courts decided to allow Dan Rather to go on with his suit. Where is the so called liberal media covering this story???
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MSNBC.com identified 143 journalists who made political contributions from 2004 through the start of the 2008 campaign, according to the public records of the Federal Election Commission. Most of the newsroom checkbooks leaned to the left: 125 journalists gave to Democrats and liberal causes. Only 16 gave to Republicans. Two gave to both parties.

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One argument I have heard is that an overwhelming amount of journalists and newscasters are Liberal. I am not going to argue that point. The point is that the news we read in our newspaper and see on TV is finalized by editors who have to answer to CEOs who have to answer to their corporate advertisers. Also keep in mind that the News agencies have a strong relationship with their corporate shareholders and owners.
I already covered BillyBob's argument yet he repeats what I already acknowledged.
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Then in that case FOX news would be a liberal press since they are airing views freely that don't normally get airtime.

For the purposes of this discussion liberal does mean left wing/Democratic.

I'm in favor of a liberal press by your definition though. All ideas and news should get equal coverage and access.
Fox News does not present a different view. They lie, distort, leave out important details and flagrantly editorialize half-truths, spin, and use biased language. If that is a different view then that is a sad world we live in.
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I was providing proof that the majority of journalists are liberals, as opposed to just posting an opinion......
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Great, so that's one point proving a liberal bias.



Media conglomerates are far more liberal than conservative. Outfits like Viacom who give far more to the dems than the R's. Additionally there have been three studies (one by Stanford) proving a liberal bias in the media.
You charge Media conglomerates are far more liberal than conservative yet you have nothing to back this up. Then like BillyBob you show your lack of comprehension by mentioning the studies by Stanford that show which way the journalists lean. Journalists do not decide what goes on the News. Why is this so hard for you people to understand? Also anyone with any brains know that the Democrat party is not a Liberal party.

I also noticed not one person has attempted to tackle any of the issues in the film clip.
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