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Old 04-13-2008, 11:47 AM
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You have been living an extremely sheltered life if you think ANY of those cities are the most crime ridden on the planet. I know for a fact that Chicago and NYC are exteremely safe, and I could walk the streets at night alone as a child and feel safe.
Let's take a look:

Rankings of US cities based on murders per 100,000 people


Chicago, #48
Detroit, #9
SF #69

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Oh, Publius,.....you took the bait.
LOL! Point, Set, Match!
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Let's see your proof.
Reread my post. I provided mountains of proof (I'm not going to retype it, so you're just going to have to try a little harder to comprehend).

If you still don't see it, read it again, and think deeply about it.

Here's more proof that I didn't list:

1) The earth, for millions of years, has stayed in the perfect position from the sun to support life. That alone is proof that we're more that just soulless accidents (think about the odds that the earth would stay in that perfect position if there were not greater powers at work that science is incapable of understanding), and completely disproves the atheist's short-sighted views of the workings of the universe.

2) Your point of view: without a soul, you'd be like a computer, and you wouldn't have a point of view, nor feelings. The fact that you DO have a point of view is very obvious proof that you're not a zombie, but have a spirit.

3) The fact that life exists at all is proof of some kind of greater power. You ask for proof? Look all around you; in every direction you look, the proof is right there under your nose. The magic of the soul is everywhere.

Now where's your proof that we're zombies? Where's your alternate explanations for the points I've brought up (you've been quick to shoot down my ideas, but you've got nothing to replace them. Simply saying "evolution" is NOT an alternate explanation, because that begs the question "why do we exist and evolve in the first place".)

Just the fact that you can read and respond to me is proof; why else would you bother if you had no core, soul, heart, or spirit and were just a soulless object?

Now if by proof, you mean something from the lab, then you've got a long way to go to understand the way that the mysteries of the universe work. Spirituality is something you understand by intuition, it can't be put into a test tube, measured, or controlled. The flow of the soul is free, and always maintains a degree of mystery (that's the beauty of life, is that we're constantly rediscovering the universe's mysteries).

For further study of the workings of the soul, I recommend the book, The Soul's Code by James Hillman. It is a psychology book (but looks at it from the standpoint of our core, our soul, our heart, or whatever you want to call it) which really helped me see the light (as there's been times in my life when I was a borderline atheist, but I knew in my heart is always felt wrong).

I know you're probably close-minded to that sort of thing, but I'm sure it would help you see life in a new light.

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JERUSALEM (AFP) - Former US president Jimmy Carter on Sunday defended his plan to meet with Hamas leaders as he kicked off a trip to the Middle East, amid criticism from Washington and Israel.

Carter, who reportedly plans to meet exiled Hamas chief Khaled Meshaal in Syria, said he viewed Hamas' inclusion in peace talks as "very important" and stressed he was not travelling as an official US negotiator.

"It's very important that at least someone meet with the Hamas leaders to express their views, to ascertain what flexibility they have, to try to induce them to stop all attacks against innocent civilians in Israel and to cooperate with the Fatah as a group that unites the Palestinians," Carter told ABC news.
He thinks he can pose as a dead body?
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He thinks he can pose as a dead body?
An act of diplomacy in the name of peace is neither liberal or conservative. It's simply an effort towards the common goal of world peace (a goal that's bi-partisan, and does not reflect one's views of government).

Jesus would approve.

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And act of diplomacy in the name of peace is neither liberal or conservative. It's simply an effort towards the common goal of world peace (a goal that's bi-partisan, and does not reflect one's views of government).

Jesus would approve.

There is no such thing as world peace.
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Let's take a look:

Rankings of US cities based on murders per 100,000 people


Chicago, #48
Detroit, #9
SF #69

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0934323.html
The thing you must remember about big cities: they are made up of many neighborhoods. One neighborhood may be awful, and skew the stats for the rest of the city. So the murder per capita ranking does not really give us an accurate gauge of what life is like in an average neighborhood.

A more telling sign of qualitfy-of-life is average property values. Since you're good at finding stats, look this up: the average house price in your town or city, compared to that of San Francisco. Likely, the property value in S.F. is double or triple of the value of land in your town. What does that prove? A few things:

-There is much greater demand to live in S.F. than most other parts of the country.
-People in S.F. are more successful (so they can pay more to live here) than most parts of the nation.

The logical conclusion here is that progressive thought leads to greater prosperity in the area.

We were the center of the tech-boom (all the top internet companies started either in S.F., or one of its suburbs), and it's no accident. Backward conservative thought holds the rest of the nation behind the technology leaders, which are all very liberal areas. Without liberals, you have no progress.

Further proving this relationship, blue states generate the majority of the tax revenue, while red state states soak up more than their fair share of the federal spending.

But you're right BillyBoy, we do have some black people here, so you might not want to visit, since you fear them so much. We also have something called "gay people" (mostly concentrated in one neighborhood called "The Castro", which is incredibly expensive to line in), so if you fear both them and minorities, you'll be (*)(*)(*)(*)ting you pants in this city.

Interestingly enough, property value rise wherever gay populations are high. And since my wife and I own our house (bought it for 670K this year), I'm hoping more gay people move in (not too many of them in this part of town).

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The thing you must remember about big cities: they are made up of many neighborhoods. One neighborhood may be awful, and skew the stats for the rest of the city. So the murder per capita ranking does not really give us an accurate gauge of what life is like in an average neighborhood.

A more telling sign of qualitfy-of-life is average property values. Since you're good at finding stats, look this up: the average house price in your town or city, compared to that of San Francisco. Likely, the property value in S.F. is double or triple of the value of land in your town. What does that prove? A few things:

-There is much greater demand to live in S.F. than most other parts of the country.
-People in S.F. are more successful (so they can pay more to live here) than most parts of the nation.

The logical conclusion here is that progressive thought leads to greater prosperity in the area.

Or, that liberalism forces a higher rate of inflation. That's something to be proud of!




I'm sure Jesus would approve!

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An act of diplomacy in the name of peace is neither liberal or conservative. It's simply an effort towards the common goal of world peace (a goal that's bi-partisan, and does not reflect one's views of government).

Jesus would approve.
Jesus would approve of world peace?
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That's something to be proud of!
Only if you own property. Just like if you own stock, you feel pretty good when that company does well. Since my city is kicking ass financially (and paying for all your federal funded programs with our hard work), investments are rising, and this type of success should be noted and replicated, so we don't get left with the bill because poor conservative states can't pay for the their own infrastructure.

I'm happy to help you out, but show a little respect for the "blue states" who are footing your bill.

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