LOL Detroit. It's the liberal way. You must cut government spending on police, teachers and firefighters in order to fund your excessive welfare programs.

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So your logic is that if we are not there, the number will go down... That makes perfect sense... not.

My vote for the most liberal person, to stay on thread! is Sawney Bean!

Jesus was in no way saying you couldn't be wealthy and go to heaven. And, he certainly was NOT a socialist. It is very sad to see such a great man's words so totally misunderstood. Jesus was saying that heaven is here and now for those who understand, not some thing to be bought or traded or even sought after at all. It is not the ideas or words of Jesus that have been harmful but the distortion and misunderstanding of them, primarily from the Church.

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Qur'an:8:39 Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.
Qur'an:8:67 It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.
Qur'an 8:12 I will terrorize the unbelievers...Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.
Qur'an 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.

I would think that fascism is more dangerous than leftism (which is communism) remember we worked with the USSR (communist) to defeat Hitler (fascist).

PS: Communism is an extreme left idiology, and fascism is an extreme right ideology. Just a little fun fact ;/

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"One man with courage is a majority"
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I'm from NYC, it's safe now. It wasn't when it was under liberal rule. We can thank a conservative for that change. As far as crime in those other cities, the FBI stats say differently than your anecdotal evidence.

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JMS gets another English lesson:

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there is no "mostly unique;" thats like saying "sometimes always," its an oxymoron - its either one or the other.

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By the mid-19th century unique had developed a wider meaning, “not typical, unusual,” and it is in this wider sense that it is compared. The comparison of so-called absolutes in senses that are not absolute is standard in all varieties of speech and writing.

You're the one who brought it off topic to begin with. Jesus supported abortion? Jesus wanted to legalize drugs? Did Jesus condemn the number of welathy figures from the old testament who were rich from God's blessings? Jesus was a capitalist who said "that to enjoy the fruits of our labors is a gift from Him." Ecclesiastes 3:13, 5:19. Jesus spoke of the riches we will have in heaven according to our works. Did he say everyone would split heaven equally? No he did not. The government God built up in the Old Testament was free market, not a welfare state. The one example of high taxation resulted in collapse 1 Kings 12:4, Nehemiah 5:4 and 2 Kings 23:35. And those poor who did get money had to work, mostly picking crops. So to answer the question, Jesus was clearly conservative.

Actually not true, San Diego, Phoenix, Salt Lake City, and Boise are large cities. And actually what it shows is liberals live in the dumps and the conservatives go out into the suburbs to live in the nice areas and escape the dumps the liberals created.

Property values are irrelevant. All it means is those cities are limited geographically and have higher prices as a result. A better measure is quality of life and liberal cities fail miserably there. High crime. High pollution. In some instances high homelessness. And most of all, cities where many people do not want to live. Those are the qualities that stick out in the liberal city list.

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JMS gets another English lesson:

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there is no "mostly unique;" thats like saying "sometimes always," its an oxymoron - its either one or the other.

The result:

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By the mid-19th century unique had developed a wider meaning, “not typical, unusual,” and it is in this wider sense that it is compared. The comparison of so-called absolutes in senses that are not absolute is standard in all varieties of speech and writing.

So you consider, an almost out right ban on handguns to be Conservative?

Spending money to solve problems = conservative? (He increased police budgets)

He used the POWER of government and the revoking of easy access to hand guns to reduce crime.


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P.S. Actually I believe that because he was mayor during a BOOM cycle, it played a large roll in the crime rate. Poverty begets crime. So I think a portion of the crime reduction was due to circumstance outside his control, in addition to 1) using gov to solve problems and 2) restricting guns were helpful.

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Blasphemy is a victimless crime.

Actually he used the power of arrest to reduce crime. He closed down known criminal hangouts (like porn shops) and began issuing citations and arrests for minor crimes including drug dealing and public urination. That is how he reduced crime. Anti-gun laws were in place before he was elected. He used those laws as a way to prosecute known criminals. And conservatives favor increased spending for law enforcement, which is why they support three strikes, mandatory sentencing and other laws that cost money.

I believe it played somewhere between little to absolutely no role whatsoever. He was mayor during a boom for the entire country. NYC's crime rate reduced astronomically in comparison to the rest of the country. They went from consistently top 5 to in the 80's based on per capita crime in a matter of a handful of years. Crime dropped by 2/3 and murders went from 2,000 under Dinkins to 650-700 under Rudy.

It's also worth noting, Rudy fought liberals in successfully reforming NYC's welfare laws. he started with removing those who were collecting, but not eligible. Then he instituted a work requirement. The NY Times of course was against this and I recall someone using the term slavery. The number of those on welfare dropped by well over half a million. He also fought liberals in enacting anti-pan handling laws in ridding the city of its infamous squeege brigade (particularly in the Bowery District). Liberals said they would turn to more serious crimes to make money. This of course did not happen. He also ended affirmative action at city universities. Which resulted in higher SAT scores for incoming students and a larger student population. When he took office Dinkins & Co recommended tax and other increases to pay for a multi-billion dollar deficit. Giuliani's first budget contained several spending cuts totaling 1.5% in city expenditures (he just sent more to crime fighting) and a small business tax reduction. The first mayor ever to cut taxes in NYC. While in office he eliminated or reduced dozens of taxes. One that comes to mind is the clothing tax. In summary, NYC's economy grew faster than the rest of the US' for the first time ever post WWII.

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JMS gets another English lesson:

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there is no "mostly unique;" thats like saying "sometimes always," its an oxymoron - its either one or the other.

The result:

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By the mid-19th century unique had developed a wider meaning, “not typical, unusual,” and it is in this wider sense that it is compared. The comparison of so-called absolutes in senses that are not absolute is standard in all varieties of speech and writing.

There is nothing to misunderstand!

"I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."


This is pretty clear! You can try and justify anything you want, and people will! And you are right jesus wasn't saying "you couldn't be wealthy and go to heaven" He was just saying it is highly unlikely that a rich person can go to heaven! This comes from when a rich man asks him what to do to get to heaven, and jesus told him to give up all his money! That is a pretty clear message to me!

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Im a Tarte, what! you want some of this?

I think the underlying meaning is that money is not the way to heaven, and indeed, it can even get you off track. This understanding should satisfy both those who view heaven as a place to go or here on earth. If all you do is gather money, you've missed the meaning of the here and now and/or the path to heaven.

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