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Old 08-12-2004, 11:27 PM
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Everything nowadays seem to revolve around money. Whoever has the most $$ wins. Correct me if I'm wrong but if you want a politician to vote a certain way on a proposition, they'll vote whichever way the money leads them, unless the politician sticks to his guns, but what politician does that nowadays.
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Old 08-12-2004, 11:45 PM
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Most politicians are political whores who sell the benefit of their office so they can get enough money to win the next election.

The era of the statesmen, if such an era ever existed, is gone forever. The simple fact is that the American people, as a whole, are apathetic toward the government and that apathy allows politicians to get away with almost anything they want.
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Most politicians are political whores who sell the benefit of their office so they can get enough money to win the next election.

The era of the statesmen, if such an era ever existed, is gone forever. The simple fact is that the American people, as a whole, are apathetic toward the government and that apathy allows politicians to get away with almost anything they want.
Agreed, but wasn't the country started off right? People used to have a belief system that they stuck with and didn't change it for nothing, now it's beyond ridiculous.
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Agreed, but wasn't the country started off right?
Actually, no. Because the constitution wouldn't be ratified if the south weren't able to keep their slaves, we started this country with conflicting ideals: "All men are created equal..." --> Declaration of Independance
"Slavery is groovy..." --> US Constitution (I might be a bit off with that quote. )

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People used to have a belief system that they stuck with and didn't change it for nothing, now it's beyond ridiculous.
It is ridiculous, not because people change or don't change; but, because the beliefs are for sale.
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Agreed, but wasn't the country started off right?
Actually, no. Because the constitution wouldn't be ratified if the south weren't able to keep their slaves, we started this country with conflicting ideals: "All men are created equal..." --> Declaration of Independance
"Slavery is groovy..." --> US Constitution (I might be a bit off with that quote. )

I didn't think the US Constitution talk about slaves.

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People used to have a belief system that they stuck with and didn't change it for nothing, now it's beyond ridiculous.
It is ridiculous, not because people change or don't change; but, because the beliefs are for sale.
Agreed.
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How does the existance of slavery 200 years ago get involved in politicians on the take today?

At the time of the Constitution i believe slaves we also used in the north.

While i agree that slavery is terrible it is not justification for wrongs today.
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I believe (s)he was making a point, not trying to justify something with slavery.
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How does the existance of slavery 200 years ago get involved in politicians on the take today?
She asked if the country got off to a right start. It didn't. The new government continued the genocide started by the european colonists and continued the practice of enslaving human beings while proclaiming that all men are created equal and deserve life, liberty and property.

Maybe the draft of the Declarations was improperly printed. Maybe what Jefferson (a slave holder) actually wrote was "all men are created equal, but after birth only white landholders have rights and all others are entitled to a life without liberty being the property of the white landholders." I guess we will never know.
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We already know. Anthropologists, backed by "science" and major universities, made claims that Africans were a subrace well into the 1800's. Most cultural and physical anthropology courses today offer a first week of apologies because the founders of anthropology offered the scientific backbone for slavery.
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