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Old 04-06-2008, 10:19 PM
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She calls for "poverty to end" by taking from the rich to give to the poor, the modern day Robin Hood. I don't recall Robin Hood being a friggin mega-millionare.
Personally, I think it makes the story of Robbin Hood all the better if he was a mega-millionare. It would show he was doing what he was doing out of principle, and not just self interest.
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Really? What percentage did they pay?
Somewhere between 43 and 48%, depending on individual states.
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Somewhere between 43 and 48%, depending on individual states.
I call BS. Look at these tax income brackets...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_..._United_States
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Somewhere between 43 and 48%, depending on individual states.
Did you count the subsidies oil companies receive as a tax break in the calculation? In addition, are you talking about the "individuals who are running" the oil companies, or the oil companies themselves?
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She is rich enough to add an extra 25% to her payment to show her leadership on this issue and it would not have even effected her lifestyle. She did not.
To my knowledge, the IRS doesn’t give you the option to "pay extra". You can do a "bad job" claiming your deductions, but you would still only end up paying the max for the tax bracket you are in for the time. Calls for Clinton to pay extra seem rather ridiculous in this context. When she paid her taxes, she simply did what was expected to do, and is proposing a change that will effect her in the future just like every other uber-millionaire
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Did you count the subsidies oil companies receive as a tax break in the calculation? In addition, are you talking about the "individuals who are running" the oil companies, or the oil companies themselves?
"Oil companies" are not some "mythical" entity that lives and breathes. SOMEONE's personal finances are backing the capital. Might be a whole slew of folks, but when you get right down to it, it's all held up by PERSONAL money.

Then again, I don't expect liberals to understand this.
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Of course you can donate as much money as you want so obviously nothing is stopping the clintons from giving away all the money they don't need. I am not saying they are obligated to give it away. I am a libertarian and therefore believe everyone is entitled to their own money.

But, the clintons talk about ending poverty by taking from the rich and giving to the poor. Well, then they should start with all of their own money!
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Former Vice President Al Gore has received criticism for his own carbon offsets, though the media have been supportive. “If more people do it over time, it’s a good thing,” said reporter Russ Mitchell during the “Early Show” on CBS February 22.
Yep exactly...Gore is no different. Many liberals within the Democrat party are much better at telling other people to do things than actually doing them themselves. Gore and Edwards are no different than Hillary, the issues where the pontificate are just different.
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1) How does advocating that the cap on the highest incomes should be raised, equate to = rich people are bad.

Clintons are Rich.
Clintons think Rich people should have a higher tax rate. (Big SHOCKER here - as 90% of Republicans believe the same thing...)
Therefore the Clintons are against the rich.

Illogical.

2) Politicians Pander. This is a fact. If you know of a politician that you believe doesn't pander, you are A) Delusional B) About to get proven wrong.
( I suppose it is possible to find a politician who doesn't pander, but not at the national level. You can also find politicans who were leaders of the KKK both D and R. This is a statistical anomoly, and not the norm, just like pandering. )

3) Saying that Rich democrats should give up all their money because they think rich people should pay more taxes, is JUST as moronic as saying that Republicans that support the war in Iraq should go fight it or send their kids to fight it.

Both are moronic beliefs.


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Did she actually say she wanted other rich people to pay more then she did? If not, then she's not being a hypocrite (at least not with this). From what I saw of the report, her and her husband paid a higher percentage in taxes than most do at their income level. If anything, she's calling for a policy that will effect her as much as any other "rich" person.

I don't think an advocate for the right to bare arms needs to start handing out free guns to everone out of their own pocket, if you get my point. It's a call for overall policy change, not a personal crusade. There's no need to demand she give away all her money first before she calls for a policy to tax the "rich" harder.
She paid the amount called for under Bush policies. Nobody is asking her to give up all her money. As pointed out she could give out 90% of it and still be richer than most people in the US.

If she wants to increase the tax burdon on top earners why not be the first in the pool?
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