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Old 08-13-2004, 07:16 AM
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Default 931 reasons why the war on Iraq was a mistake

http://www.thousandreasons.org/wardead.html

Are the lives of our men and women less valueable than those who Bush claims he is trying to liberate?

I posted this link to show those who continue to be in favor of this war that each and every American soldier that has died in Iraq thus far, and those that come back dead each day, all have names, and families, and have died...for what?

p.s. Please also note that the bulk of the soldiers that have died, have hardly even begun to enjoy life. They believed what the recruiters told them, and tried to build a life supported by the government. I guess Bush wanted to outsource these jobs to an eventual downsize of employees.
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If Bush really valued human life so much as he states based on why he is against stem cell research, then he wouldn't have rushed to war like this without major international support, and without knowing without a doubt that we could secure the peace. Truth: Bush is inconsistent on his values on human life.
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I suppose then there are almost 300,000 reasons why WW II was a bad idea. And those Russians....man WW II was really a bad idea for them.
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I suppose then there are almost 300,000 reasons why WW II was a bad idea. And those Russians....man WW II was really a bad idea for them.
Germany was in the process of invading our allies in Europe, and Japan was the ACTUAL country that attacked us on our own soil. Neither criteria comes close regarding Iraq.
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Default to the "value of life" issue

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Are the lives of our men and women less valueable than those who Bush claims he is trying to liberate?
Let's not forget to mention the THOUSANDS of innocent men, women, and babies (you know, the ones we're "liberating") we've slaughtered in the process.
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Default huh???

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Are the lives of our men and women less valueable than those who Bush claims he is trying to liberate?
Let's not forget to mention the THOUSANDS of innocent men, women, and babies (you know, the ones we're "liberating") we've slaughtered in the process.

And we didn't slaughter innocent Jappanese with the Atom Bomb
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Are the lives of our men and women less valueable than those who Bush claims he is trying to liberate?
Let's not forget to mention the THOUSANDS of innocent men, women, and babies (you know, the ones we're "liberating") we've slaughtered in the process.



And we didn't slaughter innocent Jappanese with the Atom Bomb
Remember Gozdzman, Bush wasn't president during this time, however he is our president now, during a war that should not have been started at this time.

Thanks rwspin, I should have added that in there too.
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Agreed, I don't know how we got off on this tangent about Japan.
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I suppose then there are almost 300,000 reasons why WW II was a bad idea. And those Russians....man WW II was really a bad idea for them.
Germany was in the process of invading our allies in Europe, and Japan was the ACTUAL country that attacked us on our own soil. Neither criteria comes close regarding Iraq.
It isn't a bad analogy, it's using the same flawed "logic" that the list was made by. There is no other reason cited for the war being a bad idea other than a list of the dead. That's it, nothing more. Using the SAME logic, every war ever fought was a bad idea because people died. There is no bad analogy, just refusal to see the flawed logic behind the list of "reasons" why the war is wrong.
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I suppose then there are almost 300,000 reasons why WW II was a bad idea. And those Russians....man WW II was really a bad idea for them.
Germany was in the process of invading our allies in Europe, and Japan was the ACTUAL country that attacked us on our own soil. Neither criteria comes close regarding Iraq.
It isn't a bad analogy, it's using the same flawed "logic" that the list was made by. There is no other reason cited for the war being a bad idea other than a list of the dead. That's it, nothing more. Using the SAME logic, every war ever fought was a bad idea because people died. There is no bad analogy, just refusal to see the flawed logic behind the list of "reasons" why the war is wrong.
How about one big reason the war was a bad idea, besides almost 1000 dead american soldiers and countless civilian Iraqis, is the BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WASTED to fight this war when our economy is already in the dumps from 9/11. Or how about the fact that we let Osama get away because Bush went after the wrong target. I mean I know he thinks all middle easterners look alike, but really he f'd that one up bigtime!! Fact is, we are wasting all that money and precious manpower to liberate another country when we should have been rebuilding our own country after 9/11 and going after the real terrorists responsible for the event. How is that for a reason why the war is a bad idea.

Quite frankly this war should not have been fought at this time. Yes Saddam is a bad man, but this could have waited until our country was in a more stable position, or until the UN inspections were finished and we had international support so that we didn't have to stretch our military so thin that we are forced to lose as many people as we have. How about now all of our protectors of this nation are overseas, when we are getting terrorist alert after terrorist alert here at home?
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