It seems to me that this admin "makes up the rules for IRAQ" as we go. And in my opinion, it raises an interesting question.

Before the war, our objective (in no particular order..also debatable) was to topple the dictator, secure the "known WMD sites" and liberate the IRAQI people. (1 out of 3 ain't bad.. )

Our goal now seems to be "establishing democracy". My question is: What type of democracy? And who is to make the determination as to whether IRAQ "wants" or "needs" a democracy? If they choose a THEOCRACY, do we start "bombing" them all over again?

I ask this question because I wonder if we have a "goal" in mind. I understand the WAR on TERROR will be fought for a while. I realize that and I am all for that. (After all. our very lives and way depends on winning the WOT) But what is the "exact goal" with regards to IRAQ? How would we know when we have achieved it?

The exact goal has already been partially achieved. While there are still a couple of hotspots, for the most part Iraq is free and functioning. The rest of the goal would be to help them get things secured now that sovereignty has been turned back over to them. And then to be able to leave....as soon as that goal as been achieved per our commanders in the field. As Pres. Bush said (paraphrasing).....We'll stay until our job is done, and not a day longer. As far as the form of government they ultimately end up with....that's their choice. But isn't it nice to finally have a choice?

JP5, the objectives may have been accomplished but the "goal" has NOT!!

We removed the madman, killed his evil boys, secured the oilfields and have attempted to rebuild what we broke. Iraq is not able to "walk" yet. If goal had been accomplished, you will be seeing mass troop movements headed home. You quoted PRES BUSH. Question is: What is the job? And how will we know the job has been done? I am NOT asking for a TIMETABLE (that is not practical) I am asking for an "indication" that the job has been finished.

Choice- In that case if the SHIITES take over and establish a Theocracy, leaning towards Iran that bring "peace" to IRAQ, would that satisfy you as a "goal being accomplished"? Because I seriously doubt that it would make the "hawks" in Washington happy if ALLAWI is kicked out in January and a Shiite Cleric is elected leader.

Just because it wouldn't make some happy....doesn't mean it couldn't happen. It'll be the Iraqi's choice.

And whoever told you it's "finished" over there? It's not. That's why we'll probably be there in some fashion for maybe up to as much as 5 years. I hope not.....but certainly possible. But just think about it.......once the Iraqi's and the Coalition gets the Najaf and Fallajah situations cleaned up......the whole of Iraq will be in pretty good shape and start moving forward. Many areas already are.....like the the very north and in the south.

Just think of it this way: if the United States can come back together and live as one country AFTER our civil war...which was horrible.....any country can. Their internal conflicts will just have to be worked out.

JP5..Do you really think that only NAJAF and FALLUJAH are the boling areas? Basra in the south has simply not taken up arms yet. That is the difference in their insurgency. And the Kurds in the north? All they want is their own state. You think that will happen anytime soon? Not if TURKEY has anything to do with it.

And you still have not stated what "the goal" is.. WHAT IS OUR GOAL?

Their internal conflicts will just have to be worked out!!

I see..The HATFIELDS will just go over to THE MCCOYS and have dinner and that will be that! Read up on SHIITE, SUNNI and KURDISH history and it will amaze you that "conflicts between them are NOT just worked out"!!

Yes, I did. You just didn't listen.

I see no way that I can recognize any sovereignty in Iraq as long as they have a puppet regime and uninvited foreign troops on their soil (invitations by the puppet regime doesn't count). I really hate to see words degraded this way, I see no sovereignty in Iraq right now and it cannot be until they have a new government created without influence from foreigners OR the current puppets, the uninvited foreign troops needs to be removed as well. What Iraq needs is to have an free election, where anyone can try to run for office, including the old Baath party and the pressure of occupation replaced by troops from other nations that hasn't taken part in the invasion. These troops should act only as a neutral peace keeping force.

Why should the Baath party be allowed? Well it proves that they have a real democracy, in comparison, the old Communist party of Soviet Union still exists and some people choose to vote for them. It is now a small party but that they are allowed to exist and this are good for the Russian democracy.

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Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he doesn't become a monster.
Friedrich Nietzsche

"a COUPLE OF HOTSPOTS"?

"FREE and FUNCTIONING"?

whew........honey you have got to get yourself into rehab..........or school, whichever is appropriate to your rather severe condition.

bushlicker, neo-con sheeple or not, that's just blind hope that had to take some real effort to ignore (root word of IGNORANCE, BTW.....) theTRUTH.

Lemme give a li'l newslaash dearie - the American media isn't feeding you much on Iraq these days - hell, there are celebrity court cases going on - oh my!!!

There are MULTIPLE mortar attacks in MULTPIPLE cities every.single.day.
There are car bombs every.single.day.

Didja know the southern oil pipelines were closed AGAIN this week? 'course not - you don't read, you just open your silly sheeple mouth and wait for Faux News to fill it with sh................

nevermind.

But hey- to be fair - I could be waaaay off here. After all, I only read newspapers FROM AROUND THE WORLD whereas you may have some really great source for truth, so HEY JP - HOW ABOUT A LINK to the "facts" you want us to believe?
You DO have a source besides your silly sheeple hope of getting your traitor elected in November, right?




right?

..to go and find the news herself. JP5 has an amazing way of "twisting" things or completely "avoiding" the question, just like SCOTT MCCLELLAN. If every one listened to independent media outlets like PACIFICA RADIO, they will get on the ground reports from journalists inside places like NAJAF and FALLUJAH, places that CNN, FOX, NBC. ABC and CBS are "scared" to send their reporters.

Try and get a satellite feed on BBC from AL JAZEERA or AL ARABIYA sometimes and you will see that not all their news is skewed. Sometimes, they simply let the cameras roll and the viewer can see for themselves.

I don't think this admin knows what their "goal" is IRAQ is. And even if they do, its probably a goal that changes often..