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I I If Yu Yu You Could P P P Please Do Do Don Dont Tell My Mu Mu Mom That I P P P Play Th Th The Foosball, I I It Wu Would B B Be Fore T Th The Best. This guy is the 1 out of 1000 statistic! You can look up this crap all day on the internet but the facts still remain the same. Our troops overwhelmingly support their mission! Remember back in 2004 when the troops voted for Bush 4 to 1 over Kerry? http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...h-troops_x.htm

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Army 507,158
Navy 347,693
Air Force 347,352
Marines 179,762

Do you think they all have the same opinion? lol

I hope not.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...h-troops_x.htm

Troops in survey back Bush 4-to-1 over Kerry
By Dave Moniz, USA TODAY

An unscientific survey of U.S. military personnel shows they support President Bush for re-election by a 4-to-1 ratio. Two-thirds of those responding said John Kerry's anti-war activities after he returned from Vietnam make them less likely to vote for him......

In the survey of more than 4,000 full-time and part-time troops, 73% said they would vote for Bush if the election were held today; 18% said they would vote for Kerry. Of the respondents, 59% identified themselves as Republicans, 20% as independents and 13% as Democrats.

The survey was conducted Sept. 15-28 by the Army Times Publishing Co., which distributes the weekly newspapers Army Times, Navy Times, Air Force Times and Marine Corps Times. (Army Times Publishing is owned by Gannett, which also publishes USA TODAY.)

Army Times Publishing sent e-mails to more than 31,000 subscribers and received 4,165 responses on a secure Web site. The publisher cautioned that the results are not a scientific poll. Its readers are older, higher in rank and more career-oriented than the military as a whole.

Even so, experts who examined the survey results said they do not bode well for the Kerry campaign's efforts to woo the military, a traditionally Republican and conservative voting bloc. The Kerry campaign has highlighted his war record in an effort to burnish his credentials as a prospective commander in chief.

"You can't dismiss" the results, said Peter Feaver, a Duke University political scientist who for years has studied the political leanings of the U.S. military. Feaver said it's unlikely that Bush will receive 70% of votes cast by military personnel. But the results suggest it will be difficult for Kerry to make substantial gains among a group that has strongly supported Republican presidential candidates in the post-Vietnam era.

Feaver said he suspects Kerry is losing support among those in uniform because he seems less committed than Bush to prosecuting the war in Iraq.

Richard Kohn, a University of North Carolina history professor who has studied the political culture of the military, said the Bush campaign has been effective in creating the impression that, if elected, Kerry might "cut and run" in Iraq. "None of us who has studied Kerry's character believes that, but the Bush campaign has established in the public's mind a connection to Vietnam," Kohn said.

Kerry campaign spokesman David Wade called the Army Times Publishing effort "an inaccurate e-mail survey" and said that Kerry has "the vision and values to keep faith with military families and America's veterans."

Of survey respondents, 65% of active-duty and 67% of Guard and reserve troops said that Kerry's activities after Vietnam made them less likely to vote for him. Kerry served in Vietnam as a naval officer and was awarded a Silver Star, a Bronze Star and three Purple Hearts. He protested the war after returning home.

Only 12% of active-duty troops and 16% of Guard and reserve troops said Bush's actions in the National Guard made them less likely to vote for him. Bush received a coveted pilot's slot in the Texas Air National Guard during the height of the Vietnam War and missed a number of mandatory drills after he stopped flying fighter jets in April 1972.

Active-duty, Guard and reserve troops number about 2.4 million, a small slice of the electorate. But in closely contested states such as Florida, their votes could be crucial. The survey found little difference in presidential support among the four military branches.

While there is a lot of information available on how military veterans have voted, data on the voting patterns of active-duty personnel are scarce. Feaver said experts believe military personnel favored Bush over Al Gore 2-1 in the 2000 presidential race.

A number of military analysts, including Feaver, had been predicting as recently as this summer that Bush would suffer a slight erosion this year based on a number of factors, including misgivings about the conduct of the war in Iraq and dislike of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld in some military circles. Of those responding to the survey, about three-fifths said they approve of the way Bush is handling the situation in Iraq; one-quarter said they disapprove.

Military personnel who responded to the survey said they were generally happy with their jobs: 73% said they would re-enlist.

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Yeah. Sure. Liberals have made our troops in to political objects AND THE TROOPS DONT EVEN AGREE WITH THEM!
I don't care what liberals think either.
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Army 507,158
Navy 347,693
Air Force 347,352
Marines 179,762

Do you think they all have the same opinion? lol

I hope not.
or the same haircuts?

Buzzcuts make my ears look big.

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And here you are, A CIVILIAN, who thinks the general civilian populations opinion is more valuable than theres?
Civilians dictate policy in this country, not the military. What I'm after is a change in foreign policy. I want us to adopt one of non-interventionism.
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[b]Troops in survey back Bush 4-to-1 over Kerry
Wow, you found a poll from 4 YEARS AGO. Definately reflects what the troops think today.

How about a more current statistic showing that the candidates recieving the most money from the military are Ron Paul and Barack Obama. They are also the two candidates that are the most against the war.
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Wow, you found a poll from 4 YEARS AGO. Definately reflects what the troops think today.

How about a more current statistic showing that the candidates recieving the most money from the military are Ron Paul and Barack Obama. They are also the two candidates that are the most against the war.
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Yeah, after all he was elected spokesman and representative of all democrats and sometimes I can't hear myself over the sounds of democrats saying "f" the troops.

I have a question if I may.

Do people like you just not notice the things you say, say it to get some attention or say it then think "s**t I can't believe I said something so blatantly stupid"?

Cos as someone born with a sense of self awareness I find it difficult to fathom. Really, I'm generally facinated by it.


Murtha Calls innocent troops Murderers

LiveLeak.com - Murtha on Supporting the Troops
LiveLeak.com - Murtha is a coward

CHRIS MATTHEWS, HOST: Let me ask you Mr. Murtha to give us some details about that. Draw us a picture of what happened at Haditha.

REP. JOHN “JACK” MURTHA: Well, I’ll tell you exactly what happened. One Marine was killed and the Marines just said we’re going to take care – we don’t know who the enemy is, the pressure was too much on them, so they went into houses and they actually killed civilians. And, and –

MATTHEWS:—was this My Lai? Was this a case of – when you say cold blood Congressman, a lot of people think you’re basically saying you got some civilians sitting in a room around a field and they’re executed.

MURTHA: That’s exactly it.
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Durbin accuses our troops of running a Nazi death camp.
You Call That an Apology?

Senator Durbin (D) "If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime - Pol Pot or others - that had no concern for human beings."
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Obama Said American Troops are just air rading villages and killling civilians.

Video: Obama Says We’re “Just Air-Raiding Villages and Killing Civilians” In Afghanistan : Ian Schwartz

Obama: "We've got to get the job done there and that requires us to have enough troops so that we're not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous pressure over there." (Philip Elliott, "Obama Gets Warning From Friendly Voter," The Associated Press, 8/14/07)
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John Kerry calls our troops stupid:

Hot Air » Blog Archive » Audio: John Kerry on America’s lazy, uneducated military; Update: McCain demands apology
Kerry apologizes to troops - Politics - MSNBC.com

John Kerry: “You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study :hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.”
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John Kerry calls our troops terrorists

Kerry: 'U.S. soldiers terrorize kids' (JFK Wannabe/Sore Loser Alert)

John Kerry: "And there is no reason, Bob, that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the – of – the historical customs, religious customs," Kerry said Sunday. "Whether you like it or not ... Iraqis should be doing that."
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Harry Reid says the war is lost while our troops are fighting it.

Harry Reid Tells Bush: War is ‘Lost’ - CommonDreams.org

Harry Reid: ‘‘I believe myself that the secretary of state, secretary of defense, and - you have to make your own decisions as to what the president knows - [know] this war is lost and the surge is not accomplishing anything as indicated by the extreme violence in Iraq yesterday,”
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Those who voted not to condemn the Petraeus add. Its funny that these same liberals who voted NOT to condemn moveon are the same liberals that sighned a letter to censure Rush Linbaugh. Liberal Hypocracy at its finest!
U.S. Senate: Legislation & Records Home > Votes > Roll Call Vote

Akaka (D-HI) Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA) Brown (D-OH)
Byrd (D-WV) Clinton (D-NY)
Dodd (D-CT) Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI) Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI) Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA) Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Levin (D-MI) Menendez (D-NJ)
Murray (D-WA) Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV) Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sanders (I-VT) Schumer (D-NY)
Stabenow (D-MI) Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)

Those who didn’t vote
Biden (D-DE) Cantwell (D-WA)
Obama (D-IL)
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Hillary Clinton calls Gen Petraeus a liar

Clinton: Petraeus Testimony Requires "Willing Suspension Of Disbelief" - The Huffington Post

Hillary Clinton: "You have been made the de facto spokesmen for what many of us believe to be a failed policy" in Iraq, Clinton said. "Despite what I view is your rather extraordinary efforts in your testimony both yesterday and today, I think that the reports that you provide to us really require a willing suspension of disbelief."
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The New York Times Ignores medal of honer recipiant

http://www.nypost.com/seven/1013200/..._to_print_.htm

UNFIT TO PRINT?
October 13, 2007 -- Every major daily paper in New York took note of President Bush's decision to bestow the first Medal of Honor of Operation Enduring Freedom on Navy SEAL Lt. Michael Murphy - a Long Islander who gave his life for his country and his fellow SEALs.
Every paper but one, that is.
And it shouldn't be particularly hard to guess which one.
By now, most folks know exactly how much The New York Times despises the U.S. military.
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Liberal City San Francisco Denies the Marines permission to film a recruiting commercial. "Thats Nanci Peloci Land"

abc7news.com: Marines Denied Permission To Film Commercial
Controversy over film shoot featuring Marines in San Francisco - On Deadline - USATODAY.com

Controversy over film shoot featuring Marines in San Francisco

City officials barred members of the U.S. Marine Corps Silent Drill Platoon from shooting a recruiting advertisement in San Francisco, according to KGO-TV.
A police official tells the station that Stefanie Coyote, the head of the San Francisco Film Commission, would only give the camera crew permission to film a city street if they didn't have any military personnel in the shot....
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Liberals and Socialists kick Rotc out of colleges.

The Tech - Harvard faculty condemns ROTC
The ROTC Is Not Invited At Harvard (Forum)
Columbia University - ROTC
At Columbia, First ROTC Event Since '72 - May 17, 2006 - The New York Sun
Columbia ROTC Coverage
US: Military Recruiters Out of Our Schools!
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Sen Rockefeler Attacks McCains Service


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008...in.barackobama

Sen Rockefeller (D) "McCain was a fighter pilot, who dropped laser-guided missiles from 35,000 feet. He was long gone when they hit. What happened when they [the missiles] get to the ground? He doesn't know. You have to care about the lives of people. McCain never gets into those issues."
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Wow, you found a poll from 4 YEARS AGO. Definately reflects what the troops think today.

How about a more current statistic showing that the candidates recieving the most money from the military are Ron Paul and Barack Obama. They are also the two candidates that are the most against the war.
READ THIS!
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3601542&page=1

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The center tallied money from donors who list the Air Force, Army, Marines, Navy and National Guard as an employer. Overall, these donations are miniscule: Obama got 44 contributions worth about $27,000 and Paul 23 for about $19,300. Republican John McCain, an Iraq war supporter and Vietnam prisoner of war, was third with about $18,500 from 32 donors.
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CONCLUDSION: THE NUMBER OF DONATIONS ARE TO LOW TO MAKE ANY JUDGEMENT AND MCCAIN GOT MORE DONERS THAN RON PAUL

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This year, 40% of their donations have gone to Democrats running for Congress and president. The GOP got 59%.
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CONCLUDSION: THE REPUBLICANS STILL GET MORE DONATIONS THAN DEMOCRATS!

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MOST IRAQ WAR VET CANDIDATES ARE PRO WAR

http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Feb...idates,00.html
Veterans Become Pro-War Candidates
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Civilians dictate policy in this country, not the military. What I'm after is a change in foreign policy. I want us to adopt one of non-interventionism.
In other words your saying people "like yourself" who have no experience in foreign policy dictate foreign policy? Maybey youve stumbled on to our foreign policy PROBLEM!
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