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Old 04-08-2008, 07:51 PM
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What if, instead of welfare, we gave that money to people to organize charities? Ideally, they could raise money, and that money could go to the poor families. I think employing a board of 5 people per community to run and host these events could be much cheaper than welfare, raise more money than welfare, and employ more people than welfare.

The whole five people thing isn't set. There may be people willing to work for free, and there may be people willing to work for very low wages. Just saying, it's more realistic to employ 5 people, give them $50,000, give them a $50,000 budget, and let them raise more money to help poor people. They could do things like host concerts, marathon type events, anything with sports - 50/50 raffles, they could do that type of stuff.
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What if, instead of welfare, we gave that money to people to organize charities?
Those people who "organized charities" would eventually be busted for the largest corruption ring known to the USA. You can't possibly be that naive, to think that they wouldn't be scheming hard, on a way to scam on that massive inflow of money.
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Because charity is basically the rich man flicking a penny to the beggar, it lacks dignity to the individual.
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Not that it's a bad idea in principle, lord knows it would be a lot more fun to have a charity concert than to have the government just take the money out of my paycheck... but the thing I don't like about it is it seems to deny the fact that these are social problems and responsibilities that everyone needs to contribute to.

When you start saying, "let the charities handle it", you end up throwing the whole responsibility on the backs of those who would work for free and those who would donate to the charity when I believe many of these programs are EVERYONE's responsibility. It would be like if we tried to fund the military through donations... Something tells me it would be difficult to fund the military if the people didn't see how it directly effected them or just didn't want to pay.
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Those people who "organized charities" would eventually be busted for the largest corruption ring known to the USA. You can't possibly be that naive, to think that they wouldn't be scheming hard, on a way to scam on that massive inflow of money.
They have been busted so many times already ...

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...and that isn't even about the politician in Wilmington NC who is accused with putting non profit contributions into his personal account.
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What if, instead of welfare, we gave that money to people to organize charities? Ideally, they could raise money, and that money could go to the poor families. I think employing a board of 5 people per community to run and host these events could be much cheaper than welfare, raise more money than welfare, and employ more people than welfare.

The whole five people thing isn't set. There may be people willing to work for free, and there may be people willing to work for very low wages. Just saying, it's more realistic to employ 5 people, give them $50,000, give them a $50,000 budget, and let them raise more money to help poor people. They could do things like host concerts, marathon type events, anything with sports - 50/50 raffles, they could do that type of stuff.
Is there a problem with the current delivery system for welfare? Are you looking for a solution where there is no problem?

Of course, Bush pushed the faithbased initiatives: should church attendance be a requirement for receiving welfare? The nation already has charitable institutions serving the homeless and they are overwhelmed by the need. Homeless shelters are desperate for funds. Habitat is always desperate for donations and volunteers. Charities of all sorts are fighting over diminished donations in the current economic downturn. I don't believe that charities could fill the need.
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Because charity is basically the rich man flicking a penny to the beggar, it lacks dignity to the individual.
The beggar is not obligated to accept. He is quite welcome to sit in his own juices and starve to death.
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Is there a problem with the current delivery system for welfare?
Yes. It enables the dregs of our society, and artificially props them up. The #1 problem with welfare is that, in some circles, it's no longer considered "shameful" for someone to be "on the take" from the government.

If someone wants their Nanny State take care of them, then they should be treated as 2nd class citizens, until they pull themselves out of the hole they're in. When folks start thinking of entitlement programs as "luxuries" or "rights," then there's a problem in this country.
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Because charity is basically the rich man flicking a penny to the beggar, it lacks dignity to the individual.
That is the dumbest thing I think I have ever read. True charity is helping someone in need by choice, only because it is the right thing to do.
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Yes. It enables the dregs of our society, and artificially props them up. The #1 problem with welfare is that, in some circles, it's no longer considered "shameful" for someone to be "on the take" from the government.

If someone wants their Nanny State take care of them, then they should be treated as 2nd class citizens, until they pull themselves out of the hole they're in. When folks start thinking of entitlement programs as "luxuries" or "rights," then there's a problem in this country.
Actually, the true dregs of our society are the parasites who become wealthy gambling with other people's money and then run to the nanny state to bail them out after they have made an oh-so clever hash out of the entire economy. Most of the people receiving "welfare" are children, babies actually. What's your solution? Take them away from their parents and put them in an orphanage? That ought to make them feel second class. Forced sterilization programs? Mandatory abortions? Shoot 'em?
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