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Old 04-11-2008, 09:37 AM
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I consider myself a conservative democrat:

1) I'm libertarian on most social issues, live and let live. That means I support the right of gays to marry, and I don't really care if people get high as long as their actions don't impact me.

2) I believe in many, but not all, social programs. For instance, I support the Job Corps program and Head Start, but not the welfare system as it presently exists today. However, I am not opposed to welfare because I don't believe in providing supports to family, I am opposed to welfare because I believe it has been extremely detrimental to the people it was designed to serve: mothers and children. I would support revamping welfare to require recipients to be socialized in such a way as to be able to someday function more independently, i.e. forcing them to take classes on nutrition, food preparation, household budgeting, work skills, getting a job, and remedial education if needed.

3) I am in favor of a woman's right to choose until about the 16th week (4th month), at which point I think abortion should be illegal. I am strongly in favor of more widespread use of the morning after pill and contraceptives.

4) I support sex education in schools, but I also feel parents have to assume responsibility for this task, as well.

5) I think the educational systems around the U.S. are in need of major revamping, but I do not support vouchers.

6) I'm a hawk on foreign policy issues. i'd have no problem bombing the (*)(*)(*)(*) out of our enemies.

There are quite a few posters on this forum who consider me extremely conservative, when in reality, most of the conservatives consider me quite liberal.

Of course, #6 trumps everything for me, which is why I will be voting for McCain in November.
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Old 04-11-2008, 09:53 AM
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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
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The second amendment clearly states that the right to bear arms falls within the context of it being necessary for a well-regulated militia:
Is that what they are saying?

You do realize that there were no "regulated militias" when that statement was made!

How do you know that, that was their interpretation if they all knew there were no "regulated militias"?

Surely you are not suggesting they didn’t know?

The statement means, pretty clearly I might add, that "the people" are their own regulated militia! And as the militia, it is their right to bear arms, and that right "shall not be infringed upon" by you or any pencil necked geek who wants to manipulate the language to suit their own agenda!

We are freer (on paper in most cases) than any other nation in the world, and the only reason we are, and are allowed to appear so, is because of the rights we the people have to carry, own, use, and protect our rights if necessary with, guns!
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Old 04-11-2008, 09:55 AM
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6) I'm a hawk on foreign policy issues. i'd have no problem bombing the (*)(*)(*)(*) out of our enemies.
I think most Americans are like you catz, except on number 6.


Most Americans are realizing "shoot first, ask questions later" really sucks, once the shooting is over.
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That's because most Americans don't regularly interact with people who need to be shot.
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@Frodly I'm not so sure states rights, or especially big goverment, were ever the real core issues. Rather they were means to an end. If you need a different method to achieve your goals you switch. For example Republicans are pushing against States rights because they oppose gay marriage. And letting states decide means you'll have some blue states where everyone will be getting married.
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What ends were they trying to accomplish by being for states rights and limited government? If you can't answer that, your statement has little truth. I believe limited government was always a core issue, because it goes hand in hand with individual rights! That is the ends, for limited government.
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That's because most Americans don't regularly interact with people who need to be shot.
Unless they happen to post at this forum......I'm just sayin'.......
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Unless they happen to post at this forum......I'm just sayin'.......

Is this a joke? I usually find your posts pretty funny, but this one falls very flat. It is ok, not everyone can be as consistently amusing and intelligent as me!
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Is that what they are saying?

You do realize that there were no "regulated militias" when that statement was made!

How do you know that, that was their interpretation if they all knew there were no "regulated militias"?

Surely you are not suggesting they didn’t know?

The statement means, pretty clearly I might add, that "the people" are their own regulated militia! And as the militia, it is their right to bear arms, and that right "shall not be infringed upon" by you or any pencil necked geek who wants to manipulate the language to suit their own agenda!

We are freer (on paper in most cases) than any other nation in the world, and the only reason we are, and are allowed to appear so, is because of the rights we the people have to carry, own, use, and protect our rights if necessary with, guns!
We didn't have a military - so we must have had militias when the amendment was written. Each state had their own. Personally, I have nothing against people owning guns - but there's no reason for people to have semi-automatics, sniper rifles (unless of the hunting variety), or any other high-powered rifle, automatic or not. The problem is that our Democracy does not work because the government is afraid of our guns, they're afraid of our vote. Guns don't help us keep our freedom, voting does.

The language of the second amendment is not as clear as you make it out to be. Moreover, that is complicated by the fact that the context changes over time. What does it mean by the people? Citizens? Non-citizens? Etc. This is for the courts to decide, not you or me. This may be your interpretation, but you offer no facts, no precedents, and no reasonable justification for it.
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Well, individual rights and keeping taxes low. Which again favors the wealthy, as does privatization more often than not.

As for States Rights I'm given to understand that had a lot to do with segregation at the time. Of course now Democrats support of states rights is for gay marriage purposes. Basically it's a matter that when you can't achieve your goals at a federal level you try to let the states (which have higher democrate/republican voters as appropriate) decide the issues. Meaning instead of none of the states having things your way some percentage of them will.
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