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Yesterday Charlton Heston was buried. He was a true American Patriot who loved his country. These words in the link were made by him several years ago and it stands true more than ever today. His words should be reproduced and put into the hands of every American.

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He was a solid actor, and I agreed with him about gun ownership rights (although I don't see why gun owners shouldn't be required to take the same type of competency tests as car drivers, since both gun owners and car drivers have the lives of others in their hands), but he was a bit paranoid and over-the-top for the calm and rational-minded side of me to take seriously.

When I bought my gun in California, I had to take a simple test to prove basic knowledge about handling a gun safely. I don't really see how that infringes on my rights, but ensure that new gun owners will learn the basics before purchasing. In an urban environment, that is more important, as a dense population can't afford to have people playing "wild-west" with their weapons.

In a rural setting, I could accept more lax gun regulations; but in the city, we better be sure that people know how to use their weapon safely.

I realize that criminals will get guns with or without gun control (just as people will drive without a license or insurance), but in both cases, the more we encourage people to learn the basics of gun and driving safety, the less accidental deaths will occur.

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Poor, poor white American men. They sit in the highest chambers of power, control most of the planets money yet Heston would have us believe they are losing their grip on power, threatened, undermined and abused at every turn.

Poor insecure, paranoid man. B.T.W., was Heston a combat veteran?
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Yes, I see that he was.

The aforementioned speech was made in '98. He was once a civil rights activist. I wonder what happened to him. Is a person doomed to be remembered, most, for the things they do and say at the end of their life?
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He was a solid actor, and I agreed with him about gun ownership rights (although I don't see why gun owners shouldn't be required to take the same type of competency tests as car drivers, since both gun owners and car drivers have the lives of others in their hands), but he was a bit paranoid and over-the-top for the calm and rational-minded side of me to take seriously.

When I bought my gun in California, I had to take a simple test to prove basic knowledge about handling a gun safely. I don't really see how that infringes on my rights, but ensure that new gun owners will learn the basics before purchasing. In an urban environment, that is more important, as a dense population can't afford to have people playing "wild-west" with their weapons.

In a rural setting, I could accept more lax gun regulations; but in the city, we better be sure that people know how to use their weapon safely.

I realize that criminals will get guns with or without gun control (just as people will drive without a license or insurance), but in both cases, the more we encourage people to learn the basics of gun and driving safety, the less accidental deaths will occur.

I can see both sides of this issue. The problem that the Gun Lobbyist have is that they feel that once the regulation starts, it will never stop, and to some extent that already happened. Certain guns like the AK47 are now outlawed in many states. People seem to forget that throughout world history, Governments have almost always, at some point turned to Tyranny to rule their people. This is the BASIC reason why our founding fathers felt it was so important for us to bear arms. They didn't say, you have a right to bear arms, just not as good as what the government has, or on the governments terms. It was a way to protect the citizentrry from a government that MIGHT turn to tyranny. Here in the U.S. at one point we rounded up Japanese Americans, even those who've been here for many, many generations, and put them in Concentration Camps. Look at the outrage today over the Muslims down in Camp Gitmo, they're not even American Citizens and people are outraged! What if whatever group YOU belonged to, all of a sudden, was singled out to be herded into Concentration Camps? Whould you even want the government to know you HAVE a gun?
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I didn't know that Heston was part of the "The white man has it soo bad in this country" crowd.

You would think a multi-millionire with a glorious life of excess would have less to complain about.

Was he jealous of black female homosexuals?


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Had they made gun control an issue for Bush one, there would have been no Clinton.
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Rank-and-file Americans wake up every morning, increasingly bewildered and confused at why their views make them lesser citizens. The message gets through; Heaven help the God fearing, law-abiding, Caucasian, middle- class Protestant-or even worse, evangelical Christian, Midwestern or Southern- or even worse, rural, apparently straight-or even worse, admitted heterosexuals, gun-owing-or even worse, NRA-card-carrying, average working stiff-or even worse, male working stiff-because, not only don’t you count, you are a down-right obstacle to social progress. Your voice deserves a lower decibel level, your opinion is less enlightened, your media access is insignificant, and frankly, mister, you need to wake up, wise up, and learn a little something from your new-America and until you do, would you mind shutting up?
I grew up rural, southern baptist, heterosexual, white, midwestern (on the southern edge of the midwest) with a dad who owned multiple guns and hunted regularly. The problem I have with Mr. Heston's comments here isn't that I believe that perspective is less important than any other perspective.

The problem I have is that sometimes, the adherents of this perspective think their voices are the only ones that matter.

My parents are conservative, but for the most part, they aren't narrow. When my dad sent me off to college, and other girls were being told to pick a field that would allow them to support their husband's career, my dad told me to learn to take care of myself. He told me that with an education, I could be anyone I wanted to be, and he wanted that for me. A few years ago, I was surprised when he told me he'd be perfectly happy to attend a church with a female pastor, that he'd never understood the need some folks had to keep women in their place. At 42, I realize how lucky I was to grow up with him in my life.

I think my dad is one of the smartest men on the planet. But, he is not disrespectful. He will always give someone else a chance to speak, because he wants to hear what they have to say. He told me once to always listen to what someone else is saying because no matter who they are or what status they have in life, I can learn something from them.

I don't think my dad has ever believed that there is a culture war happening in the U.S. I wonder why he is so different from so many other white men who seem so angry, when he came from virtually the same place. My dad grew up almost penniless in the rural ozark mountains. He was drafted into the Navy and did two years on a ship. He put himself through trade school and made a living with his hands in a blue collar job. He made educating his own children a priority. I've never seen him get all hot and bothered about politics. I wonder why my dad always seems so calm and rational, and other men from his background walk around frothing and seething all the time.

I guess part of it is that seeing someone else succeed never made my dad feel angry. It just spurred him to work harder and be better. i've never once seen him blame other people for his problems, or express resentment towards another class of people (race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, etc.). He just lives his life at peace for the most part.
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