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Old 04-14-2008, 09:07 AM
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Actually, I do believe it is fair and balanced. I love being able to hear my viewpoints expressed and discussed on many issues that simply is not done on the liberal stations. In addition, I believe the liberals on Fox are far superior to most of the liberals on the liberal stations. Alan Colmes does an excellent job, superior to the lunnie libs on the liberal stations, of defending and promoting the liberal agenda, as do many of their other democratic consultants.

The end result is that Fox is simply more professional than the other stations in terms of allowing all major sides of the issue to debate the issues in a sober fashion.
Can you imagine that. A conservative (and no you are not av libertarian) praising Alan Colmes yet not one liberal likes the guy. Tells you a lot about who Fox choses to be their "opposition".
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The liberal stations are simply rabid liberal name callers, whose childishness equates to sub 10 year olds.
Yeah, you would never hear such tactics from O'Reilly, Coulter, Hannity, Limbaugh...
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A conservative (and no you are not av libertarian) praising Alan Colmes yet not one liberal likes the guy.
Sure I am though I am certainly much more comfortable with "conservative" positions like anti-taxes, anti-abortion, anti-federal government, I am more comfortable with the liberals positions on "the war on drugs" and other issues related to civil liberties, though the left is rapidly losing their respect for such ideals as they become politically correct in a fascist way.

And, I am praising Colmes professionalism, not his positions on the issues. He and the other democrats on Fox do a good job of presenting the democratic position without name-calling. The liberal stations simply present one side of view and "gang up" to demean it. This makes them completely unreliable for information on an issue, especially when they falsely present it as "non-biased."
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Can you imagine that. A conservative (and no you are not av libertarian) praising Alan Colmes yet not one liberal likes the guy. Tells you a lot about who Fox choses to be their "opposition".

Yeah, you would never hear such tactics from O'Reilly, Coulter, Hannity, Limbaugh...
You might try watching before you comment. FOX has all kinds of Democratic and liberal voices on the air. Everyone from Al Sharpton, Juan Williams, Lanny Davis, Jesse Jackson, and yes Alan Combs.

What exactly should Combs be doing to make libs like him? Leap over the table and assault Hannity?
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If you want to stand by a statement that is correct only within the confines of channel vs. channel, that's fine. Your conclusion that "based on ratings domination,...viewers consider them very fair and balanced OR the vast bulk of America is right wing," is clearly lacking in reason and logic. Here is why: The opinions embodied by FOX are represented by one outlet: FOX. Therefore, you will see a consolidation of viewership there held by people who agree. On the other hand, the liberally biased opinion is divided amongst indistinguishable outlets (i.e., CNN, MSNBC, etc.,) and therefore that viewership is unconsolidated among those indistinguishable sources. If your premise of the majority considering them fair and balanced OR reflecting the vast bulk of America as right-wing, then in this equation, FOX alone should beat the sum of the indistinguishables.

So, go ahead and stand by your statement, if all we are talking about is one channel vs. another. In the broader conversation of media bias and public perception, your statement is wrong and you should let it go.
All the more proof that the media is dominated by liberals. if FOX and AM radio are the only place conservative opinions can be heard in full context then no wonder the ratings are spectacular.
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The reality is that Fox tries to make everything a debate, to give both/all sides a voice because it makes for more interesting news coverage. And, this is more honest. Its not a commentator standing up there pretending to be neurral when they just aren't. You know where the people debating are coming from and arguing for.

Thats why Fox is kicking the crap out of the other/liberal only stations. They are boring, listening to their "lectures." Thats why even the liberals watch Fox, to fight against it. What makes them upset is conservatives having anywhere to speak their "fascist ideas." The irony is transcendent.
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I guess the American public trusts NBC more than FOX.

Am I too assume that because "My Name is Earl" (social commentary on buddism and Karma) and "30 Rock" (Liberally biased conservative bashing commentary) get higher ratings, that more people trust them then FOX news?

It seems to me that you can't make blanket statements about the American people by showing poll numbers.

The only thing you can say is "More people watch FOX news than watch MSNBC"

You can speculate as to why. (1 conservative channel, 3 liberal ones - just might explain it...) But it is just opinion.


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Actually, I do believe it is fair and balanced. I love being able to hear my viewpoints expressed and discussed on many issues that simply is not done on the liberal stations. In addition, I believe the liberals on Fox are far superior to most of the liberals on the liberal stations. Alan Colmes does an excellent job, superior to the lunnie libs on the liberal stations, of defending and promoting the liberal agenda, as do many of their other democratic consultants.

The end result is that Fox is simply more professional than the other stations in terms of allowing all major sides of the issue to debate the issues in a sober fashion. The liberal stations are simply rabid liberal name callers, whose childishness equates to sub 10 year olds.
I believe his words were "They are jerks" If Fox is as powerful as some think where are their anointed candidates, Rudy and Romney. They are currently "has beens" admit it
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I guess the American public trusts NBC more than FOX.

Am I too assume that because "My Name is Earl" (social commentary on buddism and Karma) and "30 Rock" (Liberally biased conservative bashing commentary) get higher ratings, that more people trust them then FOX news?

It seems to me that you can't make blanket statements about the American people by showing poll numbers.

The only thing you can say is "More people watch FOX news than watch MSNBC"

You can speculate as to why. (1 conservative channel, 3 liberal ones - just might explain it...) But it is just opinion.


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I don't trust Fox. For that matter, I don't trust NBC, ABC, CNN or MSNBC.

The only show I watch on a week-to-week basis is Glenn Beck's or the Jack Cafferty segments. I still tune into O'Reilly, Olbermann, Dobbs and Hannity every now and then just to hear what they are saying or what is out there, but I don't usually watch them on a regular basis.
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I guess the American public trusts NBC more than FOX.

Am I too assume that because "My Name is Earl" (social commentary on buddism and Karma) and "30 Rock" (Liberally biased conservative bashing commentary) get higher ratings, that more people trust them then FOX news?

It seems to me that you can't make blanket statements about the American people by showing poll numbers.

The only thing you can say is "More people watch FOX news than watch MSNBC"

You can speculate as to why. (1 conservative channel, 3 liberal ones - just might explain it...) But it is just opinion.


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P.S. My favorite News channel Stat: % of Viewers who believe Saddam was responsible for 9/11. Winner... FOX NEWS!!!!!! Yea!!! Most uninformed viewership!!!!!

How are you comparing FOX programming to NBC sitcoms? It's apples and Peacocks.
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