There's no possible way that Obama or Clinton can win. I've gone into some detail on my site, but here's what it boils down to. If Clinton get's the nod, Black voters will stay home and there's no way that a Democrat can win without the Black vote. If Obama get's the nod, about 20% of Clinton supporters have already said they would vote for McCain, they just don't believe he's been around Wright all this time and hasn't soaked up some of that hatred for whites.

Remember both of the last elections, CNN & MSNBC practically promised a Democrat in office both times, yet When Bush went up against Gore in 2000, Bush won 30 States, vs only 20+DC for Gore. Sure Gore won the Popular vote, but we live in a Republic of States, not a Democracy. Same thing goes for 2004, supposedly there was NO WAY Bush could win again, yet this time, he not only picked up another state, (31 this time). This time he also won the Popular Vote. Democrats even had an additional 8 Million people voting this time, but the Republicans countered with over 12 Million additional voters.

Keep in mind that Clinton won the Election by sounding like a Republican, promising Tax cuts and instead delivering a Tax increase (via a tie that had to be decided by Gore), and 2 years later Americans replaced Congress with a clearly Republican controlled congress. Additionally, when did Clinton announce his Grand BTU Tax that would have had us paying $10.00 a gallon for Gas? Only AFTER he was elected, not before. The only reason why the Republicans are in trouble now are because of out of control spending, the Mortgage Crisis and an unpopular war. They're not saying that they're ready to go socialist and turn over even more of their paychecks to the Government. As soon as people realize that this is what Obama and Clinton are all about, they won't vote for them.

As for Recapturing the party, there's only one way to do it. Stop being ashamed about conservative values. Stop letting Democrats MAKE the issues. I was so upset when I saw McCain questioning Corporate proits, just like the Democrats. That's what company's are supposed to do. They're supposed to try to maximize profits. There's no other purpose for Corporations. If the government truly wants to see the price of oil go down, there's only two ways to go about it. Reduce the need for Oil and Gas with more conservation laws and tighter CAFE requirements, or reduce the paperwork to allow new drilling projects. This will bring more product into the market, and as soon as the artificial shortage is over, prices will go down. Walah, the Market at work! It also helps to enforce Anti - Competitive rules. Why was Texaco and Chevron allowed to Merge? Why was the newly formed company allowed to buy another 60 Billion $ oil company, Unocal? Why was Exxon and Mobil alowed to Merge? These moves clearly reduced competition and are one of the reasons prices ended up going up.

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America is not a Socialist country, this is why the only democrats who ever win, are democrats who SOUND like Republicans (Hello Bill Clinton - "Low taxes, Free Trade, Welfare Reform, Era of Big Government Over" - Sounds Republican - Hello Barrack Obama - "My Tax Cut is Bigger than yours, Your Health Care Plan is Big Government, Parents need to take responsibility for their kids schooling]").

Unlikely to be Clinton I know that much, I know all politicians lie and manipulate, but she's f**king crazy. I like both Hussein and McCain, for different but equally important reasons. I'll make my decision at the last moment depending on all the information available up until that time. Certainly won't be based on their name.

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Manu Chao - Bongo Bong

"Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious." - Oscar Wilde

"Nothing doth more hurt in a state than that cunning men pass for wise." - Sir Francis Bacon

One of the reasons I was saying in my last post in another thread that polls are bogus. Here are a couple of points everyone should keep in mind regarding this coming November election:

-- In 2000, the media used exit polling to call the election for Al Gore hours before the polls had closed West of the Mississippi. This caused many republicans to stay home and not bother voting, and also may have cause enough undecided and independent voters to vote for Gore. This could easily account for George Bush not receiving more that 50% of the votes in 2000 even if you're just talking about California alone. They tried to do the same thing in 2004.
-- In the last 60 years democrat presidential candidates have only received more that 50% of the popular vote twice!
-- Republicans have won 9 of the last 15 presidential elections, 7 of which they had more than 50% of the popular vote.
(See:Democrat's Presidential Failures over the last 60 years) That includes Jimmy Carter's 50.1% win over unelected incumbent Gerald R. Ford after the countries worst presidential scandal in history at that point.
--Yes there are many more people registered as democrat than republican. Could that be because people don't want to be identified as republican because of the way the media portrays republicans? Possibly. If you consider that: (Source: Twice as Many Americans Conservative as Liberal
James Joyner | Sunday, March 11, 2007
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/arc..._over_liberal/)

If you believe polls that is.

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1. Stop acting like profit is the only important thing in capitalism. Sustainability of this nation and it's people is far more important than cheap products and windfall profits. Our culture has become so apathetic that we don't even think about what results our actions produce. It's Wal Mart, stupid. It's globalism, stupid.(I'm not calling any individual stupid) What good is a cheap @$$ product whenever Americans can't even have a chance at producing something? Do you think our pampered desk-jobs are going to be protected in the near future?? Republican candidates need to at the very least start to speak about protectionism. We are so high and mighty when it comes to criticizing China's governing but not so much about the good deals we're getting from it.

2. Stop acting like our foreign policies are not to be questioned. There has to be room for debate in regards to war and peace. We should not just be the "pro war" party. Criticize Sean Hannity etc... We are perceived as a pro war party and that can only hurt us every time something goes sour.

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Sorry, but you are wrong - profit is THE key thing in capitalism, it is precisely pursuit of (legal) profit that makes all of the great things capitalism does possible.

Where do you get this "pro-war" party stuff? And what can you possibly mean? the fact that republicans think the iraq war is worth winning makes them "pro war"???

Historically, the party in power when a war started:

WWI - democrat
WWII - democrat
Korean war - democrat
vietnam war - democrat

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Justabubba: "that would include everyone"

http://politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=27847

Capitalism doesn't have to involve globalism. Businesses could move every single job overseas and they'd still be practicing capitalism. Capitalism must provide more opportunity to the citizens.


Anybody in the party that shows dissent, is usually labeled a RINO or liberal by talk radio and many of the bloggers.

Almost all of those democrat politicians of those times would probably be considered Republicans today. Fiscal socialists with hawkish foreign policy.

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You're whole premise is off. Globalism came before capitalism, and capitalism was created with the idea of globalism in mind. Globalization has been going on since the slave trades started (15 hunderds), and that's only because globalization is a technical term. It was called merchantalism before there - in other words they defined how rich a country was based on how much gold they had. You can claim that that's not what it means, but how do you think they got the gold?

The ideology behind globalization is that each country becomes interreliant on each other. When that happens, there will be no war. It is world peace.

The only reason this idea has failed is because of George Bush. He's full of himself. The ideas of true globalization are at least a 100 years off. It will take that long to make it work properly. It CAN be started now, but if you try to do it all at once - like we're trying to do - it fails because it causes so much damange to the economy.

But can you blame them? In our system, anyone can be taken out of their possition at any time. They have no certainty that their ideas will be followed through.

Warning: On Topic Post

For one thing, we need to start ignoring liberals more, and start focusing on set ideals. There needs to be twice as many lobbyists in washington for liberal ideas. They need to defeat global warming EVERYWHERE - including the U.N.. Would it kill you to change some of the view points that just don't make sense? And most importantly, we need an iconic figure.

lol So who's the anonymous person that said this means I'm saying China is better and I should learn Chinese?

If you're going to say such awe-inspiring things, at least have the dignity to let yourself be known. I know it's easier for you this way, but have a little self respect. heh heh

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"Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious." - Oscar Wilde

"Nothing doth more hurt in a state than that cunning men pass for wise." - Sir Francis Bacon

It was me EDIT TO REMOVE INSULT. China, just like America today, had a thriving middle class, and they also had a very conservative style government which followed the teachings of confucius. Back then, they were possibly the greatest country on earth. They had better ships, more gold, and tones of money. However, look at them today - communist, over populated, poor, dirty, everything liberals seem to hate. You're self defeating. You create what you hate, and that is why most liberals are drama whores that can't seem to pull their head out of their ass and be realisitc.

Futhermore, leave the thread.