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Where were the non-neocon candidates if the neocons are so unpopular?
lol Huh? .
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Did I stutter? Where were the non-neocon candidates if the neocons are so unpopular?

If neocons are so unpopular, why is it the only major candidates on the Republican side are neocons?
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How in the heck is Bush at all liberal?
Actually George W. is
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Did I stutter? Where were the non-neocon candidates if the neocons are so unpopular?

If neocons are so unpopular, why is it the only major candidates on the Republican side are neocons?
Stutter? No. Phrase your sentence badly? Possibly.

You do understand that sarcasm doesn't travel well over the net?
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ahh - the Neocon thing again!

in my opinion McCain is a weak link competing against much weaker Liberal links!
^yep that's a neocon for you.

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If neocons are so unpopular, why is it the only major candidates on the Republican side are neocons?
Right the country has moved towards liberalism/socialism. I don't understand why the liberals gripe about neocons as much as they do. They are allies on almost everything except defense. Neocon borrow and spend policies will just make it easier for the liberal's heavy taxation in the future.
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Huh? Huckabee is not a neocon. Not even close. Romney is not a neocon. McCain is the most neocon, but would never call himself that. Ever. He doesn't go in for the whole PNAC agenda like the neocons do and he is far more fiscally conservative (of course, so is Stalin, so take that for what it's worth). You calling him a neocon doesn't make it so. You many want him to be one, but that also doesn't make him one. Sharing a trait or two with some group does not make you a member of said group. Either way, if and when the GOP loses all three branches this year the neocons will go the way of other fatally flawed ideologies. They all hang on for a while. But in the end they all die. The Nazi's and Commies even had longer runs.
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You used the wrong emoticon: you should have used
Actually; when ever I hear or see the term NEOCON ... it is just a mundane droning noise which has no VALUE ...... like calling me a guy ....
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Huh? Huckabee is not a neocon. Not even close. Romney is not a neocon. McCain is the most neocon, but would never call himself that. Ever. He doesn't go in for the whole PNAC agenda like the neocons do and he is far more fiscally conservative (of course, so is Stalin, so take that for what it's worth). You calling him a neocon doesn't make it so. You many want him to be one, but that also doesn't make him one. Sharing a trait or two with some group does not make you a member of said group. Either way, if and when the GOP loses all three branches this year the neocons will go the way of other fatally flawed ideologies. They all hang on for a while. But in the end they all die. The Nazi's and Commies even had longer runs.
See, now I thought my idea of what a neocon was, was wrong, cos I wanted to say that.

"moderate political conservatism espoused or advocated by former liberals or socialists." ?
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Me: Did I stutter? Where were the non-neocon candidates if the neocons are so unpopular?

If neocons are so unpopular, why is it the only major candidates on the Republican side are neocons?

Stutter? No.
Good. Repeating myself wastes both our time.


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Me: If neocons are so unpopular, why is it the only major candidates on the Republican side are neocons?

Huh? Huckabee is not a neocon.
And he was a distant third in the race. Which supports what I just said.

So where are the non-neocon candidates if neocons are so unpopular?


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McCain is the most neocon, but would never call himself that.
Neither would Bush. Does that mean Bush is not a neocon?



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You calling him a neocon doesn't make it so.
You havnt told me what positions he holds that go against neocon ideology yet. Can you think of any other than immigration?


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He doesn't go in for the whole PNAC agenda like the neocons do and he is far more fiscally conservative
What makes you think fiscal conservatism isnt part of Neocon ideology?

Like other Neocons, McCain tends towards fiscal conservatism except when it comes to the military.



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You many want him to be one, but that also doesn't make him one. Sharing a trait or two with some group does not make you a member of said group.
If you want to pretend he isnt a neocon, hey, I have no problem at all with it.

As long as the neocon agenda goes forward, use whatever label makes you feel better.


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Either way, if and when the GOP loses all three branches this year the neocons will go the way of other fatally flawed ideologies.
And if we win?

We converted you. You already said you will vote for McCain. What makes you think we wont convert others too?
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What makes you think we wont convert others too?
You're not necessarily converting everyone. You know the drill; the alternative is worse. Voting for a neocon doesn't make me a neocon. But with that said, I'm not for sure that I'll even vote for McCain. 3rd party candidates are still a potential option IMO.
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