I think most republicans simply aren't united on those issues. See, that's how the lobbyist system works. A few very hot headed people want something so they lobby for it. They might be part of the republican party, but some do disagree with in the party. The thing is, the people who disagree don't feel the need to stop those who want that. We don't really see it as a problem so long as it doesn't require an great amount of spending.

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So your logic is that if we are not there, the number will go down... That makes perfect sense... not.

A true conservative is someone who wants to stay as close to the constitution as possible. They want to conserve the ideals put forth by our founding fathers and trust in the wisdom of those men to guide our country. Hence the term "conservative". Again, the constitution is NOT open for editing or interpretation in the eyes of the "true conservative", it is what it is.

Republicans and libertarians do share many similar views, as well as a strong distaste for liberal hooplah, however republicans have bloated government just as much as democrats, which is why the libertarian party exists. The term "neo-conservative", while being unofficial, has come to describe these types of Republicans (preaching freedom yet banning abortion, calling for less government then writing the patriot act, etc.)

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I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

Use, do not abuse; neither abstinence nor excess ever renders man happy.

There are some that only employ words for the purpose of disguising their thoughts.

It's because they are all abandoning the original ideals of their party, so they have no principles in which to unite around. The term "republican" and "conservative" should not be synonymous, just as the term "liberal" and "democrat: shouldn't be either. But I digress.

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I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

Use, do not abuse; neither abstinence nor excess ever renders man happy.

There are some that only employ words for the purpose of disguising their thoughts.

Ah we're posting at the same time. I was editing that statment that just got quoted in response to the posts that dropped before i finished it.

Anyway I raised the question. Is the term "real conservative" being used by distinctly different groups. I'm pretty sure Coulter and Limbaugh operate under it. And a bunch of people that have the abortion and gay marriage stances but don't support larger government.

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Coulter endorsed Hillary Clinton over John McCain, she is FAR from being a "real" conservative, and Rush Limbaugh is way too far right.

Understand that most talk-news hosts are out to stir drama for ratings. O'Reily, Hannity, Limbaugh, etc. They appeal to angry, white, Republican men who need a voice.

Please observe this article for better understanding.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-conservative

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I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

Use, do not abuse; neither abstinence nor excess ever renders man happy.

There are some that only employ words for the purpose of disguising their thoughts.

You are no moderate - not according to your replies, anyway.

You've been right about everything else you've ever said, so I believe you. /sarcasm.

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So your logic is that if we are not there, the number will go down... That makes perfect sense... not.

And now no one is on topic. Good job. If you would like to argue about who is what, please create a thread.

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Jones:- We're going to teach them climbing, abseiling, canoeing, archery, shooting...

Interviewer:- Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible isn't it?

Jones:- I don't see why, they'll be properly supervised on the range.

Interviewer:- Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children?
You're equipping them to become violent killers.

Jones:- Well, you're equipped to be a prostitute but you're not one are you?

Pretty good topic. It expresses what most people who label themselves on the conservative side believe, and that is mainly financial independence to promote strong individuals. I honestly don't understand why most people don't agree with this idea, considering it has done extremely well up until the era of bigger and bigger government which in my opinion was sparked by the creation of Social Security. Considering Social Security, Affirmative Action, Welfare and all the other stuff since then are clearly failing, most conservatives are calling for reducing the size of the federal government. Then there are others like liberals that think we need more. I'm sorry but that doesn't make any sense to me.

Just look at Social Security. The government can't even be trusted with holding on to savings. Just think if you were retiring and you wanted to cash in on your 401k, and the financial institution that was managing it said they decided to spend most of it or give it away at their discretion. It's downright criminal.

Quote of the year.

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So your logic is that if we are not there, the number will go down... That makes perfect sense... not.