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Old 04-15-2008, 01:40 AM
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I'm a moderate republican. And I'm trying to get a handle on the "real" conservatives we have here.

So lets try a couple questions for you.

Who do you think speaks for you: Rush? Coulter?

Which presidents do you consider "real" conservatives? Just Reagan? Does he even make the cut.

Next I'm wondering about what you're ideal position on a number of the issues would be. But more importantly what is the most moderate postion that would make you "happy". I.e. you certainly favor cutting taxes. Maybe you would ideally want the only tax to be a sales tax on condoms, rap music, and newspapers. Ok. But how much of just a "regular" Bush type tax cut would keep you "happy" with a candidate.

Anyway, Issues.

Immigration
Affiramtive action
Welfare etc
Social Security
Abortion
Iraq
Foreign policy in general
Gun control
The homosexers
Just how small a government?
Just how few taxes?

And I guess any other issue particularily near to your hearts.
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Old 04-15-2008, 04:00 AM
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I do not know if I would be considered a real conservative or not (probably not). But here are my answers anyway.

"Immigration"

Lock up the border, make it more difficult for illegals to get in, while still allowing a steady influx of legal immigrants in.

"Affiramtive action"

This has got to be the dumbest idea I have ever heard of. I am all about equality. But too many times have I seen someone passed over because someone had to make a quota.

"Welfare etc"

Needs to be reworked. All too often it rewards people for being lazy.

"Social Security"

I am not very fluent in this area, so I can not speak intelligently about it.

"Abortion"

I personally think it is wrong, but at the same time I am not about telling someone else how to live their life, they have to live with it. But I do think that they should have other options. Adoption is pretty hard to do legally, and it is something we need to work on so these people have options.

"Iraq"

We need to stay until it is finished, or we will end up going back in five years to start all overagain.

"Foreign policy in general"

Yet another subject I am not fluent in.

"Gun control"

Gun control does not solve anything, there are other options out there, and we need to explore them.

"The homosexers"

I personally think it is wrong, but once again, I do not feel like telling them how to live their life. It does not matter to me if they pump each others rump. God gave us free will for a reason, he also gave us human rights.

"Just how small a government?"

I do not know.

"Just how few taxes?"

Don't know, money has never been my strong suit.
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I'm a moderate republican. And I'm trying to get a handle on the "real" conservatives we have here.

So lets try a couple questions for you.

Who do you think speaks for you: Rush? Coulter?

Newt Gingrich and Ronald Reagan from the grave

Which presidents do you consider "real" conservatives? Just Reagan? Does he even make the cut.
Nixon


Next I'm wondering about what you're ideal position on a number of the issues would be. But more importantly what is the most moderate postion that would make you "happy". I.e. you certainly favor cutting taxes. Maybe you would ideally want the only tax to be a sales tax on condoms, rap music, and newspapers. Ok. But how much of just a "regular" Bush type tax cut would keep you "happy" with a candidate.

Anyway, Issues.

Immigration Legal=good, Illegal = bad
Affiramtive actionAgainst the American Way
Welfare etcAgainst the American Way
Social SecurityCompletely misused based on its initial reason
AbortionWrong
IraqWe need to finish the job
Foreign policy in generalI believe in Imperialism, but our country policy doesn't
Gun controlNo place for restricting good honest Americans from protecting themselves.
The homosexersChoice, not deserving special protections but should have access to equal taxation policy
Just how small a government?Defense, infrastructure
Just how few taxes?None that support socialist programs

And I guess any other issue particularily near to your hearts.
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I am in no way a strict conservative. I'm more of a moderate, like you.
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Immigration Population = lower wages, so ban it.
Affiramtive action It was necessary, but now it's become too excessive, and it should eventually be removed - that should be its goal.
Welfare etc Possibly the worst way to solve the problem of poor people.
Social Security A perfect example of why government is bad. If they make the rules, they can break them. So taking money for a perfectly genius program to fund another program isn't a big deal to them - stupid.
Abortion I don't care.
Iraq Should have taken less time, but was necessary.
Foreign policy in general Too general a topic.
Gun control Bad
The homosexers I don't care.
Just how small a government? Things should be done more on the state level because there is no way that people 500 miles away will fully understand what I want or ever be able to fulfull it.
Just how few taxes? I'm not against giving 10%. That's all the church asks for.

And I guess any other issue particularily near to your hearts.
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Who do you think speaks for you: Rush? Coulter?
Perhaps that right there is a litmus test. NO ONE should "speak for you" except yourself. There are enough mindless sheep in the country as it is.

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Which presidents do you consider "real" conservatives? Just Reagan? Does he even make the cut.
Reagan was a conservative, but there are times when conservation doesn't work, and I believe Reagan was flexible enough to understand that.

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Immigration
For ILLEGAL immigration (liberals have a problem understanding the difference), make it to where it's so unbearable to live here, they'll all voluntarily go home. This means NO social services at all. No medical care. No jobs. No nothing. Babies born in America take their mother's nationality.
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Affirmative action
I understand the concept. I just think it's become abused over time.
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Welfare etc
If you're going to suckle off the government's teat, then you should be treated like a 2nd class citizen. Welfare shoudn't be used to "prop up" the losers of society, it should be there as a safety net for citizens to crawl out of. I also believe that folks on welfare should forfeit their privilege to vote in this country, as well as forfeit certain luxuries such as cell phone service, or cable TV service. Once they get THEMSELVES back on their feet, then they can start enjoying the rewards of being a 1st Class citizen.

Then again, I also believe that someone who pays TWICE as much taxes as the "average" taxpayer should get TWO votes in elections. If they're going to double-fund the government, they should be given some sort of reward.
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Social Security
Should be made optional. Let folks invest their money where it can grow more. Those who are too stupid to invest, or use social security, are left subject to the consequences of their own inactions.
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Abortion
100% for it.
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Iraq
100% for it. It is paramount that America have a strong ally in the Middle East.
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Foreign policy in general
The USA should resign from the U.N. and make decisions and actions based on it's own goals and benefits. Even if this means helping allies out, as we did in WWII, ultimately it benefits us.
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Gun control
For it...but against the ownership of assault rifles.
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The homosexers
Don't care. I know plenty of decent folks who are homos. It is my opinion that those who are against it, don't know any of these folks personally.
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Just how small a government?
Local issues are dealt with locally...period.
State issues are handled by the state...period.
Federal government is reserved for international affairs, and the preservation of the Union in general.
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Just how few taxes?
That is a question left for the citizens to vote on. Personally, I'm 100% for the FairTax. Incorporating that would give the government plenty of revenue needed to run the government, while leaving out all the debutante-ish things like private planes for Nancy Pelousy or 5-star gourmet lunch rooms in the Capitol buliding.
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Who do you think speaks for you: Maybe Neal Boortz, but not even him completely. I like to think for myself and no one that I've heard echoes my exact feelings on anything

Which presidents do you consider "real" conservatives? Just Reagan

Anyway, Issues.

Immigration You either come in the right way, or you don't come in at all. There should be some variety of migrant worker program but the number of migrants that are allowed to come and where they will be while they are here should be handled by the companies that request the workers.

Affiramtive action Politics of bigotry

Welfare There should be Unemployment insurance to cover the gap between losing your job and finding a new one, but long term welfare should be provided by private institutions

Social Security Should be erradicated

Abortion Let the states decide, as a man I do all that is in my power to stay out of this debate. No matter how much it's talked no ones mind will change.

Iraq Continue to stabalize things and do all that is possible to lead the Iraqis to independence. Let the military minds make the decesions, because after all they are the only ones that really know what's going on.

Foreign policy in general diplomacy is always the best solution. Abolish the UN, or just leave it and let it flounder. The very thing we created no longer serves our interests.

Gun control The more ppl we have guns, the less crime. If you make guns criminal, only criminals will have guns

The homosexers Do as you want in your own home, until what you do on your own time starts affecting I don't care what you do

Just how small a government? Government should only perform it's essential functions; police, military, civil contruction etc. All other goods/services can be handled at the private level with 'some' (very very little') governemt overside to prevent widespread abuses

Just how few taxes? www.fairtax.org

The fairtax is at the core of what changes need to be made in this country, we need to end the oppresive income tax in this country

Real conservatism is dead as far as politicians are concerned. All that remains is a hollow republican shell.
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Strange. I'm pretty sure nobody who has replied so far would actually pass as a "real conservative". At least as I'm given to understand it real conservatives are opposed to gay marriage and fully opposed to abortion.

Maybe MasTequila, but I don't know about the Imperialism.
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I'm a moderate republican. And I'm trying to get a handle on the "real" conservatives we have here.

So lets try a couple questions for you.

Who do you think speaks for you: Rush? Coulter?

Larry Elder..read "The 10 Things You Can't Say in America"..life changing book

Which presidents do you consider "real" conservatives? Just Reagan? Does he even make the cut.

Reagan was great because he had a vision of the United States being a shining example of peace through strength. I would consider Lincoln great as well due to his outspoken views of Union conservation.

Next I'm wondering about what you're ideal position on a number of the issues would be. But more importantly what is the most moderate postion that would make you "happy". I.e. you certainly favor cutting taxes. Maybe you would ideally want the only tax to be a sales tax on condoms, rap music, and newspapers. Ok. But how much of just a "regular" Bush type tax cut would keep you "happy" with a candidate.

Anyway, Issues.

Immigration - Guest worker program for Mexicans who can speak basic english, 3 years of guest work with zero problems get's you in a different (accelerated) line than all the rest, increased taxes for Mexican guest workers to shoulder the burden their illegal cousins are creating

Affiramtive action - Useless and racist, drop it

Welfare etc - Overbloated and failing. Needs massive overhaul, don't ask me how

Social Security - Needs to be privatized ASAP. Having it state-operated not only allows our government to borrow against it, it causes massive losses in compound interest. The Dow Jones Industrial Average has NEVER lossed over a 10 yr average since it's inception. This system needs a lot more money in a short period of time, only privitization will accomplish this

Abortion - It is a civil liberty. Please note that legalization does not condone acceptance however.

Iraq - Good intentions, bad planning, do what needs to be done to secure Iraq and demand Iraq start paying its debts to the US with its massive oil reserves to alleviate the financial burden being put on US citizens by this war.
Foreign policy in general - MUCH more attention to China and Russia, massive amounts of counter-intelligence is necessary to combat these two rising (psuedo-dictorial) powers. Embrace NATO, step away from the UN. On a sidebar, massive spending on the next generation of fuels to reduce foreign dependence on oil. Stiff tariff's on all Chinese imported goods, if you can already afford a flat screen with a blue-ray, you can afford to pay a little more to stop funding the greatest threat to democracy ever.

Gun control - Idiotic, what's next, knife control? Guns are an instrument being used, it is the person aiming it.

The homosexers - Drop the promiscuity, quit the pompous pride routine, and stop spreading STD's at lightning speeds, and live how you want, doesn't bother me.

Just how small a government? If we are talking Fed? Tough question, I personally love the idea of a fed designed simply to protect the people and deal with foreign affairs with states operating independently. That is their job, but in this day and age, who knows. Again, tough call, but smaller is always better (in this case)

Just how few taxes? Depends. We need a multi-entitied, independent audit of all federal spending, including the IRS. I don't care how much it costs and how long it takes, in the end it will save billions. Our government treats us like ATM's, this needs to stop.

And I guess any other issue particularily near to your hearts.
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Strange. I'm pretty sure nobody who has replied so far would actually pass as a "real conservative". At least as I'm given to understand it real conservatives are opposed to gay marriage and fully opposed to abortion.

Maybe MasTequila, but I don't know about the Imperialism.
Actually that is a "neo-conservative" view (specifically the "religious right). A TRUE conservative believes in as much financial conservation and as a little social restriction as possible, the rest is just details.

In this case, abortion is a civil liberty, therefore the right to do it should be upheld, as with homosexuality. As long as my freedom isn't being imposed upon, I don't care.
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Hmmm. So do you guys think you're "real conservatives". You're really sounding a lot more like something else. Maybe some kinda Republican/Libertarian hybrid?

Is the "real conservative" label claimed by different groups? I'm pretty sure that's the label Coulter and Limbaugh are operating under.

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