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Old 04-16-2008, 05:35 AM
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I know it's fun to tie things back to race, but I'm not going to play the race baiting game. I havn't and won't ever support any disenfranchisement that is based on race. But the simple fact of the matter is that you're doing your country a disservice by casting a ballot based on a 30 sec TV blurb. Your doing a country a disservice by casting a ballot and not having the least bit of understanding about how our government functions.

Furthermore if you've managed to be irresponsible enough to require government assistance to meet your every day needs then you aren't responsible enough to elect the leader of the free world.
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Old 04-17-2008, 02:06 AM
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I know it's fun to tie things back to race, but I'm not going to play the race baiting game. I havn't and won't ever support any disenfranchisement that is based on race. But the simple fact of the matter is that you're doing your country a disservice by casting a ballot based on a 30 sec TV blurb. Your doing a country a disservice by casting a ballot and not having the least bit of understanding about how our government functions.

Furthermore if you've managed to be irresponsible enough to require government assistance to meet your every day needs then you aren't responsible enough to elect the leader of the free world.

I find it ironic that you are arguing against some voting because they are not qualified to elect the leader of the free world. That seems like a contradiction. It's no longer free when only some vote.

Race card or not, the general risk is real regardless of race... intelligence tests can risk the rise of a small, elite voting class. It's not that I disagree with the principle behind some voting restrictions, it's that I fear the practical application can be very risky and may become corrupted. Voting is a fundamental element of a representative government, and when you start playing with who can vote, you run on very thin ice.

people on welfare may well should be held accountable to society in some way, but I would not go down the restricted voting path.
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I think that we should start any.voter reform by removing the D and R from next to candidates names, hence creating confusion for the numbskulls who vote down their ballots by putting a check mark next to names they don't even know!
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Is an opinion formed based on a 30 second commercial an opinion that matters?

I understand the slippery slope implications of restricting voting. But we are after all a Republic of United States, not a democracy, hence why we don't directly elect or leaders. I guess the electoral college is as close as we'll ever get to idiot proofing our voting process.
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Is an opinion formed based on a 30 second commercial an opinion that matters?
To put it quite simply... yes.
Democracy is about legitimacy.
If the electorate is stupid, taking away their right to vote changes nothing (it's not like the undereducated give that much of a (*)(*)(*)(*) about it anyway).

Really the fact that they can vote should inspire good by getting concerned folks to realize the importance of trying to educate the masses and help forge a smarter population... as opposed to trying to further create a society of zombie-like consumers... who predictably cry for help when they fall for the latest marketing trend and spend beyond their means.

But as it is... the latter still ends up being more lucrative for the people who control things without having to go through the trouble of voting.
All taking the vote away from these poor folks would do (aside from creating an elitist and arbitrary standard of who gets to vote) is make them feel more disempowered... On the bright side it might wake people up to just how things are actually run in this country these days (hint: very little to do with votes)... so it seems to me you right-wingers would be voting against your interests to disenfranchise them.
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To put it quite simply... yes.
Democracy is about legitimacy.
We aren't a true democracy, a representative democracy, but not a democracy in the truest sense of the word. But this is of little importance, most the points you make are valid even in light of this fact

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If the electorate is stupid, taking away their right to vote changes nothing
It would changed who they voted for =) No one.

What I actually believe is that we should only vote for local representatives and they should appoint our national leaders. Whether or not anyone actually agrees with it makes little difference to me because it will never in a billion lifetimes happen.
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Do you believe that people who are currently recieving welfare benefits, and who are also not paying any federal income tax have the right to have their voices heard in federal elections?
No!

If the US had a minimum requirement for intelligence to vote, The left wouldn't HAVE a political voice.
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If the US had a minimum requirement for intelligence to vote, The left wouldn't HAVE a political voice.
You shouldn't be so hard on the dumb masses.
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If the US had a minimum requirement for intelligence to vote, The left wouldn't HAVE a political voice.
There's no neet to turn every statment and point you ever make into a blanket insult of the left.
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