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Do you believe that people who are currently recieving welfare benefits, and who are also not paying any federal income tax have the right to have their voices heard in federal elections?

I think no. Voting is a privledge not a right, we have no problem taking that voting rights away from people who have been convicted of federal crimes, why not the same action for people that can't support themselves.

On a broader note. Do you believe there should be some variety of political awareness test before voting, maybe only one question

ex. "Name the three branches of governemt."

I really believe you should have some idea about what your voting for before you cast your vote.
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Voting is a privledge not a right
I agree with that, which is why I also think there should be some minimum requirements with regards to intelligence.
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I'm an independent for one thing not a liberal. Just because I think Bush is an incompetent leader doesn't make me liberal, doesn't even exclude me from being republican, I choose to weigh up his actions and determine my own opinion, over blind party loyalty.
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Do you believe that people who are currently recieving welfare benefits, and who are also not paying any federal income tax have the right to have their voices heard in federal elections?

I think no. Voting is a privledge not a right, we have no problem taking that voting rights away from people who have been convicted of federal crimes, why not the same action for people that can't support themselves.
Welfare is now called T.A.N.F. Temporary assistance to needy families. These recipients are raising a child or children. They need a little help. Deny them the vote? That is just silly and mean-spirited.
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You might as well disenfranchise the entire population. Most people vote based on 1 min. T.V. ads
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Welfare is now called T.A.N.F. Temporary assistance to needy families. These recipients are raising a child or children. They need a little help. Deny them the vote? That is just silly and mean-spirited.
I'll call it Wakkydakkydobop if you want me to, that doesn't really change what it is. Furthermore, 'temporary' in that acronym is a very very lose term. If you couldn't afford to provide for those children perhaps you should have taken that into consideration before procreating.

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You might as well disenfranchise the entire population. Most people vote based on 1 min. T.V. ads
Why let the public vote for president then if they are clearly not educated enough to do so. Perhaps we should vote only for our local representatives and let them nominate a president. That would end the Presidential popularity contest and put the power where it belongs, at the local level.
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Welfare is now called T.A.N.F. Temporary assistance to needy families. These recipients are raising a child or children. They need a little help. Deny them the vote? That is just silly and mean-spirited.
1. What percentage of these families have been on welfare for over a year?
2. What percentage of welfare families do not have any other form of legal income?
3. What percentage of welfare families are on their 2nd, 3rd or 4th time being on welfare?

They don't need a vote. They need a kick in the pants. It's not like he's saying they shouldn't EVER have a vote. Votes ARE a privilege, and like all privileges, they should be earned.
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Do you believe that people who are currently recieving welfare benefits, and who are also not paying any federal income tax have the right to have their voices heard in federal elections?

I think no. Voting is a privledge not a right, we have no problem taking that voting rights away from people who have been convicted of federal crimes, why not the same action for people that can't support themselves.

On a broader note. Do you believe there should be some variety of political awareness test before voting, maybe only one question

ex. "Name the three branches of governemt."

I really believe you should have some idea about what your voting for before you cast your vote.
You racist.
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It's coincidental isn't it that the people who recieve benefits usually have more family members in the military and people who pay taxes? Coincidence, I think not.

In no society can there ever be restriction on voting. That segregates and will instantly give those who can vote an advantage over those who could'nt. Eventually, contempt would arise and that would be it.

Last time people did intelligence checks for voting was the Southerners and the Jim Crow Laws. Even though it was not made out as rascist, Black people recently liberated from slvery had lower intelligence than the Whites and thus most if not all could not vote....
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Last time people did intelligence checks for voting was the Southerners and the Jim Crow Laws. Even though it was not made out as rascist, Black people recently liberated from slvery had lower intelligence than the Whites and thus most if not all could not vote
Wanna explain where he said "black people don't get a vote?"

It's not about race. It's about people (black or white) who are exploiting this country. It's about these welfare "lifers" who see their guv'mint check as their "regular income," instead of a bum's handout. It's about those folks who "beat the system," and are willing to ride it out as long as they possibly can.

I agree with the guy. You don't give your 5-year old kid an equal say in the household, do you? Well, you shouldn't give your welfare recipient equal say in this country either. If he doesn't like it, then he needs to get off welfare. That's all he needs to do. Provide...for...himself.
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