Give me ONE example of such a person, together with supporting evidence - I don't know anyone like that.

On the contrary, it's LIBERALS who are always whining about privacy - you're VERY confused.

They AGREE with it or they're "blind"? You are making a lot of accusations - who exactly is "blind"??

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Justabubba: "that would include everyone"

http://politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=27847

"They trust the government to protect them even though the government cannot possibly protect everyone at all times. They also do not take into account that it may someday be the government that we need to protect ourselves from.
Apathy -> socialism -> big government -> oppression."

I have read the above sentiment form various people who are pro-war and seem to trust/believe what they hear from this administration. Like this sort of thing:

"Hogwash. Every word of it. It is lefty blame America rhetoric. Everything from blaming the US for siding with Saddam years ago to debating what constitutes terrorism to spinning what we accomplished by removing Saddam and liberating millions of people.

You really need to come out of the closet and admit you simply dislike America and seek to find fault, or invent fault, to make the US look as bad as possible."


I am not saying these posts came from the same person. I don't have the time to FIND that but I think those two posts are compatible for a lot of people. To me they represent a philosophical disconnect. Distrust government in one arena/trust government in the other.

Yes, I did insert my subjective adjectives concerning the Iraq war. I probably detracted from the point I was trying to make.

My point is that ( many) war supporters seem to accept the administration's/Pentagon's info uncritically considering the underlying assumption that governments can become tyrannical (and it is therefore imperative to fight for gun ownership). They seem eager to dismiss and demonize critics. Why so trusting of government, so angry with critics. I am looking for insight.

You know, that's not my reason for supporting someone's right to own a gun. In all honesty, if our government got more tyrannical I don't think individuals owning guns is going to do much to fix it. They'll just take all the guns one by one. Sure, a few will get killed, but in the end they have more than enough firepower to get the guns. I support gun ownership because I have a right to self defense.

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Thank you! Finally someone gives an honest answer about gun ownership. I am completely in favor of having a gun to put two in the chest and one in the head for any intruder intent on causing damage to property or pain to family.

Essentially this is the whole purpose of the Libertarian party.

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Resistance to Tyranny is Obedience to God

Remember the Children of Sderot

We have guns....target practice. . It is sort of silly to imagine holding off government tanks with a 22. I just don't understand why the gun lobby fights every reasonable restriction on gun ownership

Anyhow, I was appalled as You must have been about the Ruby Ridge incident!.. I see that few people wish to enlighten me on this topic: I wonder why the suspicion concerning that abuse of power does not translate into distrust of the actions of the U.S. military kicking in doors in Iraq and arresting people who don't even communicate in the same language.

I suppose I am Libertarian in this respect: I don't expect individuals or groups to change or behave in a particular way just because I wish it. If my husband has one statement of high praise for me, it is what I am NOT. I am not a nag. People only change glacially and then only because they want to change. I cannot conceive of the level of arrogance required to believe that you can convince a whole nation to behave as you would like them .

That is not the entire truth.

You can assume that because you are 80 years old?

Ask why LBJ's programs have failed so miserably. It is not because inner-city people or rural rednecks are stupid. To the contrary.

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And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country.

I think the "tyrannical government" argument made a lot of sense when the Republic was new and people actually cared about that (I don't think they do now). Further, all the government had was militias with guns and cannons and a few war ships, so an armed populace could actually fight back. In 2008 the argument doesn't really fly. If they want the guns, they will get the guns.

Because the Iraqi's want to kill you. They got the boogieman tag. The folks at Ruby Ridge didn't get the boogieman tag. Whether you are actually the boogieman or not doesn't matter.

That's why I am not a fan of social conservatives. One small recent example (albiet minor) was a law they wanted to pass here making Sunday alcohol sales legal in stores. You can buy it in restaurants, but you can't buy it in stores (which just leads to more drinking and driving on Sundays, but whatever). Two thirds of the people are for it and the majority of legislators are for it, but not enough to override a veto. The RR is big down here and they say Sunday sales should continue to be banned "to keep the sabbath holy". The problem is, it's not my sabbath! Why in the world do I need to keep YOUR sabbath holy? If you want to do that, then don't drink on Sunday. What do I care? But I'm not sure why it has to involve me. I'm cool with your religious beliefs, but I don't see any need to live the rules of a faith I don't even follow. And the funny thing is, they would be PISSED if Hindus took over and banned beef. Not that hypocrisy is anything new.

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Iran is an excellent example. In 1953, we overthrew their government and installed a dictator. He then brutally tortured and murdered his own people with our help for the next quarter century.