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It seems to me that the same people who are passionate about the right to bear arms on the basis that government can become tyrannical are also the people who are blindly defensive about U.S. foreign policy. Those who would furiously defend an individual's property rights and privacy are [apparently] unperturbed when the U.S. military interferes in the privacy and internal affairs of other countries. Moreover, these same people- who do not trust government to do almost anything else- become completely blindly passive and trusting with regard to the President and the Pentagon's military assessments and decisions.

I don't get it. Is it just because the government in question is Republican? Is there some disconnect or have I missed a piece in the puzzle.
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Internal affairs? Examples please. Also, that support has come under various Presidencies of both parties. There have been instances where D's didn't support R Presidents in those instances and the opposite as well (under Clinton). Sounds like you're making a partisan argument where there is none.
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Those who would furiously defend an individual's property rights and privacy are [apparently] unperturbed when the U.S. military interferes in the privacy and internal affairs of other countries. Moreover, these same people- who do not trust government to do almost anything else- become completely blindly passive and trusting with regard to the President and the Pentagon's military assessments and decisions.
Well, not all! I don't trust them there, either. I've seen the blunders. Costly ones, too.
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Well, not all! I don't trust them there, either.
Well, you know I always appreciate straight-forward unadulterated consistent cynicism!
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Partisan (an adherent or supporter of a person, group, party, or cause, esp. a person who shows a biased, emotional allegiance) politics is inherently BS and most people in their hearts know it.

Those who don't, don't want to.
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I'm an independent for one thing not a liberal. Just because I think Bush is an incompetent leader doesn't make me liberal, doesn't even exclude me from being republican, I choose to weigh up his actions and determine my own opinion, over blind party loyalty.
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Internal affairs? Examples please. Also, that support has come under various Presidencies of both parties. There have been instances where D's didn't support R Presidents in those instances and the opposite as well (under Clinton). Sounds like you're making a partisan argument where there is none.
No, you are assuming that it is a partisan question. Absolutely, Democratic politicians only lately (since Carter) have become less interventionist than Repubs. However, since I have been posting here, Bush has been Pres. so I can only judge on the basis of the last few years. I am assuming that most of the people who now support the Iraq misadventure would also have supported the Vietnam misadventure under Johnson.

The flip side to the question which I ask MYSELF! is this: Why I still believe that government is capable of doing some domestic things efficiently and honestly when I totally disparage its right and ability to nation build, elsewhere.
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Why I still believe that government is capable of doing some domestic things efficiently and honestly when I totally disparage its right and ability to nation build, elsewhere.
Good question! Even more so when you consider that both the Executive and Legislative branches circa 2008 are totally incompetent.
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No, you are assuming that it is a partisan question.
Actually it wasn't an assumption. You asked if it was because the government was Republican that these people were blindly trusting and passive.

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Absolutely, Democratic politicians only lately (since Carter) have become less interventionist than Repubs. However, since I have been posting here, Bush has been Pres. so I can only judge on the basis of the last few years. I am assuming that most of the people who now support the Iraq misadventure would also have supported the Vietnam misadventure under Johnson.
I'd say they most likely would have for very similar reasons.
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The flip side to the question which I ask MYSELF! is this: Why I still believe that government is capable of doing some domestic things efficiently and honestly
If you can show me the government program that has been run honestly and effeciently, you sir will recieve the gold star for the day.

ps I don't trust them with foriegn policy either, but there isn't anyone else willing or able to do the job
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