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Old 04-18-2008, 02:05 AM
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Is it worse than some jerkwater 1st world country starting illegal wars and polluting the planet without taking action against climate change?
Sure support one global government and then as soon as someone actually tries to make one it's just whinging and complaining.

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Hi, Im relatively new to this forum, and I would like to voice a strong opinion of mine. I think the only way to ever end war, and prevent the nukes from ever flying again, is a system of world government. Now just because I said that dont say "Ugh, that'll never happen" What I mean is some sort of government in which each individual nation keeps it's own independance, but they also answer to the world government, which will have branches set aside for different things. Just like a democracy, and for those of you against democracy, I tell you, it is the only way. So, what do you think?
Governments are already corrupt. I don't want one on a grand scale.
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Governments are already corrupt. I don't want one on a grand scale.
Government need not be corrupt. People have allowed that to happen. A governance (effectively) already exists, be it in dealings between countries now or through bodies such as the UN, or between multi-national corporations that span the globe. It is merely not democratic- and it is certainly corrupt.
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Old 04-18-2008, 02:28 AM
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Government need not be corrupt. People have allowed that to happen. A governance (effectively) already exists, be it in dealings between countries now or through bodies such as the UN, or between multi-national corporations that span the globe. It is merely not democratic- and it is certainly corrupt.
Government is almost impossible to not be corrupt. If you keep it limited though, the capability of corruption minimizes.
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It doesn't have to be corrupted- todays corruption is in allowing the immense wealth of the few influence the political process, the lax media that doesn't cover it properly and is ofcourse heavily corrupt itself, and the populace that allows it to happen.

If you mean keeping government fragmented all over thw world, due to historical accidents and nothing more, is going to somehow help corruption of governance, think again- the ability to pit populaces against other nations -other populaces- is a useful tool in allowing corruption to occur- it keeps legitament democratic opposition fractured aswell. This is our current situation.

While power should be checked, and while balance must be retained, to ignore the vast powers of the few granted to them by wealth in the private sector, only ever watching out for the spectre of 'big government', is intellectually lazy and usually dishonest. It is the concentraion of power, under any guise, that is corrupting.

In truth, worldwide goverance is too 'small'( a poor term, byw)- simply because of this fracture. It is wrong that our leaders make war against each other, governance is about working together, to bypass lesser physical means of dispute settlement(amongst myriad other places where global laws would be far better). That is after all the point of this thread- this is the solution to war, the same solution we've always used throughout history- unify.
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Hi, Im relatively new to this forum, and I would like to voice a strong opinion of mine. I think the only way to ever end war, and prevent the nukes from ever flying again, is a system of world government. Now just because I said that dont say "Ugh, that'll never happen" What I mean is some sort of government in which each individual nation keeps it's own independance, but they also answer to the world government, which will have branches set aside for different things. Just like a democracy, and for those of you against democracy, I tell you, it is the only way. So, what do you think?
A "one world government" only means universal subjugation, abuse, and exploitation.

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Thats rediculous; there has never been anthing of the scale, nor anything all that large that was democratic, it ignores the current situation of defacto world goverance- a plutocracy, it ignores the overall successful advancement of democratic governance and makes broad sweeping predictions. Precisely what are these structures you speak of?
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I'm so impressed with this thread and most posters here. You folks really seem to get it.

All people must be governed and controlled centrally in order for safety, peace, fairness, and equality to prevail. We've seen the possibilities displayed by the UN and we all know how much more effective a single authority would be, rather than a collection of self interests vying for a bit more power than their neighbors. A single ruler would eliminate class struggles everywhere, making the masses a unified workforce for the betterment of all.

The only thing some of you don't understand, is that democracy is definately NOT the way to eliminate corruption and inefficiency. A ruler or ruling comittee must be able to perform independent of public whims and desires in order for objectivity to be preserved. Democracy breeds pandering, and pandering breeds corruption.

The masses have proven themselves unworthy of exercising good judgement and making good decisions, whether concerning their education, their healthcare, their retirement, or the environment.........so they must be ruled by strong leadership that is immune from retribution.

Try to free yourselves from outdated romantic notions of liberty and democracy. In the meantime, keep the concept moving forward by supporting Democratic candidates for all current positions of power, and remember...............change has been and is currently happening.

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KOD I've recently come to the assumption that you are infact a creation of Parody- not a bad one I suppose but not entirely appropriate or of interest to me. Your post certainly doesn't dissuade me of that.
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One government? Horrible idea. You libs think the US is corrupt? Wait till some leader 3000 miles away starts making rules you'll have to follow. We have countries that still deal in slavery, stone women for exposing too much skin, are communist, etc. and you want them to have some say in how things are done?
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