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Hi, Im relatively new to this forum, and I would like to voice a strong opinion of mine. I think the only way to ever end war, and prevent the nukes from ever flying again, is a system of world government. Now just because I said that dont say "Ugh, that'll never happen" What I mean is some sort of government in which each individual nation keeps it's own independance, but they also answer to the world government, which will have branches set aside for different things. Just like a democracy, and for those of you against democracy, I tell you, it is the only way. So, what do you think?
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So what you're saying, is that you'd entertain the idea of our nation's enemies dictating how we govern ourselves? You don't mind some jerkwater 4th world country telling you what's right or wrong?

Sorry, but "one world government" only works in "fantasy land."
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So what you're saying, is that you'd entertain the idea of our nation's enemies dictating how we govern ourselves? You don't mind some jerkwater 4th world country telling you what's right or wrong?
Is it worse than some jerkwater 1st world country starting illegal wars and polluting the planet without taking action against climate change?
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Well said Demosthenes, I'm yet to hear any other platform that offers such a tried and true method of eliminating one of the greatest of humanity's threats- our penchant for war. Know that some of the worlds greatest thinkers have embraced the idea, over the course of the last century- specific to a world level- but in truth its the idea of governance itself, taken to the next, and final, step- and is therefore ancient. You're in excellence company believe me.

Sue, we've done it again and again- enemies become friends, borders become overcome in the common persuit of universal improvement- would you prefer if America was devided between North and South right now- your country, and the world would be far worse off if it still was.

If you're concerned about the intermediate, when you still have national enemies, powers will still be held at the national level corresponding to their need- just as international ones that are of common good will begin to be introduced. I know Australia offers one way of protecting the rights and freedoms of a collective concerned about its role in a greater one- The Senate overwatches the House of Reps, in theory anyway, and has more power based on the State level than actual population.

Chill Bugalugs, don't lower yourself. Besides, much better to respond to the OP than the mandatory quick and ill-thought out 1st reply. Demosthenes, Bugalugs, how about a law where democracies will only make war in concert with each other?

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This is what I'm thinking about right now. It may change.
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Hmm... if you mean One World Government, I think that's what's being attempted by western governments at the moment (UN and NATO for example). Personally, so long as "local laws" are made locally, I'm all for it.
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Thank you for clearly reponding to my idea while others condemn it.
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So what you're saying, is that you'd entertain the idea of our nation's enemies dictating how we govern ourselves? You don't mind some jerkwater 4th world country telling you what's right or wrong?

Sorry, but "one world government" only works in "fantasy land."
What I mean by this is a system of government where each country elects it's own representative and they make decisions about the largest and most important topics, while each government still has it's own freedoms. I now realize that human nature is too skidish to be governed by a foregin power, so maybe this government should be a sort of... Hegemony, ha yes with fear slightly imployed with a reserve army that scares the warmakers, and is used for fright not fight, unless abslutely necessary.
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I'd have to assume thats the idea, certainly if history is a guide.

As an interesting note:

'George Washington wrote to the Marquis de Lafayette: “I am a citizen of the Great Republic of Humanity.. We have sown a seed of liberty and union which will gradually spring up throughout the earth. One day, on the model of the United States of America, there will be created the United States of Europe.” '

Chalk up another point for Washington's foresight I guess- getting closer anyway. I like the Great Republic of Humanity bit too.
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http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=james+madison

This is what I'm thinking about right now. It may change.
Are you refering to his oposition to a strong national government(that I have to admit I gleaned from a quick wikipedianing)? Not opposed to governance itself though.

We do have a sort of governance at the global level, its just not democratic, equitable or working in our favour in many ways.
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