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Old 04-18-2008, 11:28 AM
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Handouts? Who said handouts? I'm talking government contracts, grants, tax breaks, etc... etc...
Government contracts? So every government contract is "rape?" Interesting. Tax breaks are not "giving money." You said corporations get most of the money collected. Corps don't have tax collections given to them as the result of a tax break.
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Government contracts? So every government contract is "rape?" Interesting. Tax breaks are not "giving money." You said corporations get most of the money collected. Corps don't have tax collections given to them as the result of a tax break.
ok, share with us the term you find acceptable to describe taxes which would other wise be required, but for legislated exemption which eliminates corporate payment of the monies
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Stealing the virtue of a nation, by paying off politicians to receive ten times fold from the tax payers, yep that sounds like rape to me?

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Care to name some? My figures were actually based upon PERSONAL income taxes.
Name some what? Government contracts? You don’t know how many companies have made fortunes off of the government AKA the tax payers?

Let’s start with the railroads, and work our way right up to Microsoft shall we? Your not serious are you?

Even if you say the government gives money to the poor, that money is almost immediately consumed by industry. The poor spend it as soon as they get it.

Wallyworld, corporate farming, and the medical/pharmaceutical industries lay claim to it faster than the government can cut the monthly checks!

Computers, vehicles, aircraft, ships/boats, construction, road/bridge companies, food, clothing, etc… what doesn’t the government not buy. They keep some of these industries alive even when the general public no longer shows a need for them. The government bails out banks, automobile manufacturers, subsidize just about everything from peanut oil, to corn, to building the structures some businesses exclusivelt profit from?

Are you trying to tell me that if for some unknown reason or another taxes were to stop rolling in tomorrow that none of these corporate industries would be effected?

Fat chance my friends!

They are as dependent on the governments dime as much as that crack whore with 7 on the runway and one in the chute!
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ok, share with us the term you find acceptable to describe taxes which would other wise be required, but for legislated exemption which eliminates corporate payment of the monies
Depends on the situation, since not every single one is identical. It could be tax incentives, could be tax loopholes, could be R&D research, could be national defense, could be poor policy...could be a lot of things. Not every scenario = "Oh my God the corporations are fleecing us!" as suggested above.
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I agree. The War on Iraq is a good example of that.
Defense spending accounts for only 20% of the Budget.

We're spending 39% on Social Security Medicare and other Sr. Services. Things that SHOULD be handled by the States.

When the Federal Government was put together, it was only supposed to do 2 things. Handle interstate commerce and defense. Period It's because of the fact that the government has gotten involved in all these different social programs that it needs the massive taxing structure. These things would be better handled closer to home at the states level, but it will never happen because special interests are too entrenched in seeing a massive federal government. Problem is, with the feds taking anywhere from 15 to 45% of the Citizens income, there's no way states could raise the taxes they would need to take over these programs. Social Security alone takes 15% (you pay 7.5% and your employer pays 7.5%) In addition, depending on your income, your taxed anywhere from zero to 30%, which is how I got to 15 to 45%.
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You said corporations get most of the money. Feel free to prove that at any time. You also said most corporations could not survive without government. Are there some? Sure...defense contractors would contract greatly. That is not the same thing as most corps couldn't survive without government getting money from taxpayers.
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We're spending 39% on Social Security Medicare and other Sr. Services. Things that SHOULD be handled by the States.
I agree that the States should be handling these programs too. The Feds have their fingers in too many programs that are none of their business.
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Poor rich people have it sooooooo bad!

Funny but most are rich because they get most of the tax money collected? If money wasn't directly available from the government most of the richest corporations would be incapable of maintaining the profits they achieve by raping the government piggy bank!

It’s a viscous cycle, wouldn’t you say?
yea poor rich people , what about lazy ass welfare cheats and lifetime welfare recievers they really help allot huh ? I detest welfare it's just a different form of slavery
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I agree that the States should be handling these programs too. The Feds have their fingers in too many programs that are none of their business.
people should be handling their own affairs the states and the feds need not interfere
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people should be handling their own affairs the states and the feds need not interfere
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