and this from a pro-war "win/lose" guy.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20...latchy/2913186

And remember, we have a candidate running for president who's poor decision-making lead him to vehemently support this debacle and may start another one.

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"You have shown what history teaches us - that at defining moments like this one, the change we need doesn't come from Washington. Change comes to Washington."

- Barack Obama, 8/28/08

Glad to see them coming around! It's not easy being right all the time, but someone has to do it.

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I wasn't born with enough middle fingers.

Well there's a surprise! Who'd have thought it?

And the best part is we can't just leave otherwise it will turn into an even bigger f**king disaster.

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Manu Chao - Bongo Bong

"Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious." - Oscar Wilde

"Nothing doth more hurt in a state than that cunning men pass for wise." - Sir Francis Bacon

Which is why the Iraq war will replace Vietnam as the single biggest foreign policy mistake in U.S. history.

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I wasn't born with enough middle fingers.

They can call it what they want, but the reason things are (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up is because the way the war was fought. The object is destroy you enemy's will to fight and we didn't do this. You can't fight a PC war, if you don't crush the enemy this is what happens

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For real coverage of the Iraq war see
http://michaelyon-online.com/

Conan! What is best in life?
To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women

Did they look like psychos? Is that what they looked like? They were vampires. Psychos do not explode when sunlight hits them, I don't give a **** how crazy they are!

But who is the enemy? Saddam...you had him. The people of Iraq...you are supposed to be helping them...the terrorists and insurgents...you created them.

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America's Enemies Are Not Mine

All wars represent a failure of diplomacy

“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.” - Stephen Roberts.

So what, even if true? What good is being popular if it simply means letting other, less powerful countries make your decisions for you? We invaded iraq because we considered iraq a threat to our security. I am far more interested in our security than having the rest of the world maintain idealistic and unrealistic fantasies about how we should defend ourselves.

Vietnam was one battle in the cold war, which we won. So, if you call that the biggest foreign policy mistake in our history, we obviously make very few and basically no big mistakes. Personally, I could cite numerous mistakes that are bigger, far bigger, like failing to enter WWII directly much sooner thinking we could be "non interventionist" and avoid the evil of hitler (sound familiar), or cutting defense after the end of the cold war (Clinton), or the dems decimating the intelligene community late in the cold war- which contributed to 9/11. Heck, I could keep going naming much bigger mistakes than Vietnam. Not invading and finishing off Saddam would have been a bigger mistake, especially since we were having to maintain massive troops in the area to contain him at extraordinary expense, and not mass bombing/invading iran soon would be a far bigger mistake than all of them!

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Qur'an:8:39 Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.
Qur'an:8:67 It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.
Qur'an 8:12 I will terrorize the unbelievers...Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.
Qur'an 9:5 Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.

Who is the enemy? Whoever raises arms against US soldiers.
The people of Iraq need to start helping themselves
Ah bull(*)(*)(*)(*), you act like there was no such thing as a terrorist before Iraq.

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For real coverage of the Iraq war see
http://michaelyon-online.com/

Conan! What is best in life?
To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women

Did they look like psychos? Is that what they looked like? They were vampires. Psychos do not explode when sunlight hits them, I don't give a **** how crazy they are!

Do you really expect all of the people of Iraq to embrace the US? Do you expect any Iraqi who had their life shattered by the US, any Iraqi who lost friends and families to US forces, any Iraqi who was driven out of their home or had been purged? The US didn't go to Iraq to fight terrorists. They went over there to create them. Iraq will help themselves once they have total control.

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America's Enemies Are Not Mine

All wars represent a failure of diplomacy

“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.” - Stephen Roberts.

To create a permanent training camp of terrorists from all parts of the World in Iraq?

You should study history before posting such nonsense.

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