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Old 04-24-2008, 01:18 PM
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The poor pay practically no taxes, sometimes none at all, while the "super rich" carry the bulk of the burdon for everyone.

You sound like someone who has not spent much time around poor people. I do. There are expensive cars and people wearing pricey jewelry who are on welfare and food stamps. They have plasma tv's and cash in their pockets. Some though are poor but choose to sleep in till noon and drink beer on a porch rather than finding one of the many jobs available. Sure, many of these jobs are low paying and dirty, but in this country you work your up the ladder. A person with no HS diploma, a criminal record, and a spotty resume can not expect to land their dream job right from the start.
I have not seen any poor people with gold jewelry, and fancy cars. You are fabricating a story because you can do not better. You may be right if you definition of poor is not reporting or paying illegal cash flow from drugs and underdealings to federal government. The people that are referring to drug dealers, and hustlers, and not poor people.
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Old 04-24-2008, 02:51 PM
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Well, it wasn't a conspiracy done to fool you! Economists measure inflation in more than one way. Core inflation eliminates products that commonly experience temporary price shocks. The theory is that it better predicts underlying inflation. But they still measure inflation including those things. Core inflation is just something in the toolbox. Although the government has a vested interest in "good news" it also has vested interest in getting good data. An economic collapse caused by bad data does not bebefit those in power.
You might be interested to read a synopsis of Phillips' article /book:

http://www.straightstocks.com/politi...ollyanna-creep

There seem to be some very good reasons for government to understate inflation.
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excessive credit was given assuming you would not miss the point. by depriving the parent(s) of a subsistence we also victimize the child by withholding assistance. it is that disregard for the childrens' welfare which i find immoral. apparently we differ
We aren't victimizing children at all. The problem is that there is a growing number of children born by single parents who cannot care for their children, and even by couples as well. The only people being victimized are couples who are responsible and wait to have children at the right time who have to feed these fools. We have a system that supports the dumbest, most ignorant members of society at the expense of others. The stable responsible families are cutting back to live within their means and therefore having less children, while the poor pop out babies like it is their job. This type of irresponsibility cannot go unchanged, and subsidizing it is clearly not helping. If we don't support those families that doesn't mean we aren't supporting the innocent children. It means we are forcing their deadbeat mother and/or father to work.

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Good point. So how do you fix it? And let's discuss other ideas besides putting tax on imports.
Well it depends on how you define the problem. Lets go with "reducing the poverty rate".

A great thing to do would be to reduce the rate at which people who can't afford children have them. Though if you don't have a support network to raise the child and the father ditches that includes about everybody who isn't upper middle class.

I rather like the idea of sending them off to boarding school to learn a different way to live. But that's expensive.

But I think a more practical short term measure would be more daycare type options at a range of appropriate jobs. Or otherwise have cheaper access to daycare. This would let the single mothers get to work (and in situations where jobs with daycare are known to be open force them to take them).

I would also immediatly revoke all restrictions on African American babies being adopted by people of other race. This might mean more babies and children get put up for adoption and would get more out of the system. Actually I think that would help in a lot of way.

The other thing would be to try and create more jobs that pay enough to keep out of poverty. I think education could help a lot here.
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I have not seen any poor people with gold jewelry, and fancy cars. You are fabricating a story because you can do not better. You may be right if you definition of poor is not reporting or paying illegal cash flow from drugs and underdealings to federal government. The people that are referring to drug dealers, and hustlers, and not poor people.
they interviewed the shut up white-boy lady from L.A. and she had a huge wide screen TV in her living room . shes been on welfare her entire life , there is allot of waste in the system
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Not so, a person working full time and earning minimum wage lives above the poverty level.
Do you know what the average minumin wage takehome per week would be? You seem to have some idea, so I thought you might be able to provide an answer.
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Do you know what the average minumin wage takehome per week would be? You seem to have some idea, so I thought you might be able to provide an answer.
At $7 per hour a person earns $14,000 per year.

The poverty level is $10,078.



http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/pover.../thresh07.html
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At $7 per hour a person earns $14,000 per year.

The poverty level is $10,078.



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Thanks for the info!

Hmm, $14,000 does not sound like a lot of money, but then again, I have to take into account the differences between your dollar and ours (our dollar is around 94 cents US, last I heard)

Would you consider $14,000 to be enough money to live on? I mean, you personally, could you survive on that much?
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Thanks for the info!

Hmm, $14,000 does not sound like a lot of money, but then again, I have to take into account the differences between your dollar and ours (our dollar is around 94 cents US, last I heard)

Would you consider $14,000 to be enough money to live on? I mean, you personally, could you survive on that much?
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Thanks for the info!

Hmm, $14,000 does not sound like a lot of money, but then again, I have to take into account the differences between your dollar and ours (our dollar is around 94 cents US, last I heard)

Would you consider $14,000 to be enough money to live on? I mean, you personally, could you survive on that much?
Yes you can live on that. You can a roof over your head, food in your belly, and have the necessities. It's not fun, but doable.

Thing is, most minimum wage jobs are entry-level, meaning you're not meant to do it forever. You have to apply yourself, learn a little, and show some motivation. Then you can move up to a level when you can start enjoying life a bit.
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