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Old 04-25-2008, 07:47 AM
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if ignorance is bliss you must be in nirvana. you state: "We aren't victimizing children at all" by withholding welfare from their parents. nonsense. you follow with another absurdity: "If we don't support those families that doesn't mean we aren't supporting the innocent children". excuse me, if you are not providing welfare to the parents then how in the world are you still supporting the innocent children? i believe your ridiculous answer ensues: "we are forcing their deadbeat mother and/or father to work". really?! how do you know that you are not actually causing those little children to have to do without sustenance? if i had to bet, i would wager you hold yourself out as a Christian. throw away your wwjd bracelet, you have no idea what it means
WWJD? He would force them to work for their money. Just like occured when he walked the earth.
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WWJD? He would force them to work for their money. Just like occured when he walked the earth.
yes, and he would callously disregard the basic needs of the children. thanks for reminding me why i refuse to go to that congregation of hypocrites
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I've met a few people on welfare also, and I have to wonder why, if they are so poor, why are they always dressed in the latest designer brands?
That's prettty much the first thing I notice about someone claiming to be 'poor' and on welfare - they seem to be dressed in clothes even I couldn't afford.

Same with the 'homeless' who go to these soup kitchens. We see them on the news sometimes, and most of them seem to also be dressed in the latest designer gear.

Can't figure why that is, but then again, in a soup kitchen you can hardly tell who is a genuine homeless person.


Such a silly post! Yep all the top executives hit the soup kitchen for lunch just before they make their way to the club for their afternoon golf game!
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WWJD? He would force them to work for their money. Just like occured when he walked the earth.
Jesus was a slave driver? What Bible did you get that out of? Mine said he could feed many with a fish and a loaf, and I'm pretty sure he was feeding hungry poor people who had no means of their own?

Must be one of them new edition Bibles?
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Charles Morris, author of the Trillion Dollar Meltdown says this, "Modern Wall Street is a system that rewards crazy risk taking in the short term w/o regard for long-term consequences". I think you will find that Bear Stearns management have made out just fine.

I use the comparison because the term "personal responsibility", so popular these days, is not expressed in the size of one's bank account.

I suggest that you research how much of the federal budget is spent on TANF. (I am guessing it is very little). Then check out how much is spent on disability insurance and see if you can discover how much of that is dedicated to needy veterans. I don't think you can talk about solutions if you have no clear idea about the size and demographics of the problem.
Where do you come up with that type of logic? Are you saying that there are poor people because some investors take risk with their own money? And at the same time you dare to tell other people how to go about their business.

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Where do you come up with that type of logic? Are you saying that there are poor people because some investors take risk with their own money?
Huh? Investment bankers use their own money? That IS a revelation.
Anyhow, I said nothing of the sort. You don't understand my point.
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Yes, in your case I do. You talk about finding solutions to a problem yet you have not done even the minimum research to define the problem.
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Jesus was a slave driver? What Bible did you get that out of? Mine said he could feed many with a fish and a loaf, and I'm pretty sure he was feeding hungry poor people who had no means of their own?

Must be one of them new edition Bibles?
No it's the original version. Apparently you were unable to understand it. Here, let me help you. Deuteronomy 8:18, God gives people the power to make money. Condemns burdensome taxation 1 Kings 12:4, Nehemiah 5:4, 2 Kings 23:35. Gives aid to the needy Ephesians 6:5-7 in return for work 2 Thessalonians 3:10

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This work was done in the form of gleaning Leviticus 19:9-10, 23:22, Deuteronomy 24:19-22
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And throughout 1 Timothy Paul goes into detail about aid to the widowed poor and the conditions that must be met.
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yes, and he would callously disregard the basic needs of the children. thanks for reminding me why i refuse to go to that congregation of hypocrites
No he wouldn't, but he wouldn't just give handouts to the poor who are able to work. Great system you have in mind. "I refuse to work. Where is my handout?! You better give me money or I'll starve my kids!"
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Outer Continental Shelf Exploration R's: 81% YES. D's: 83% NO.
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SUMMARY: 91% of House Republicans have historically voted to increase the production of America’s own oil and gas. 86% of House Democrats have historically voted against.
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No he wouldn't, but he wouldn't just give handouts to the poor who are able to work. Great system you have in mind. "I refuse to work. Where is my handout?! You better give me money or I'll starve my kids!"
nice try, reb ... not really, but given your obvious limitations to discern what is being said i thought i should toss you a bone as a sign of encouragement

it's not my system
that's not what i proposed

it IS my observation that when the ill considered notion that welfare is nothing but a scam which should be scrapped is perpetuated by the neocons, NO consideration is given to the welfare of the children - whose assistance would also be lost
those are the same neocons who don't want the baby mommas to be able to have an abortion
interestingly, those same neocons who want to involve themselves in the decison whether to have or not to have the baby want to excuse themselves from any responsibility to assist those unwanted children who result

keep trying reb ... one day you will catch on
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Yes, in your case I do. You talk about finding solutions to a problem yet you have not done even the minimum research to define the problem.
PERSONAL INSULT REMOVED If you actually read my first post, you would see that I created this thread to discuss what I read in my political science book. So to assume that I've done no research on it is ridiculous. And need I remind you, you're the one resorting to accusations and name calling. What more poof do you need? PERSONAL INSULT REMOVED

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