The Poverty Line - Page 16

C-D-P · #**151** (**permalink**) 04-25-2008, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by justabubba

nice try, reb ... not really

Well, that is exactly how your post came off.

BuckNaked · #**152** (**permalink**) 04-25-2008, 12:49 PM

Jesus spoke in the Old Testament? It always amazes me how some folks have to jump from book to book using a fraction of the verses to make a point?

Your right though, he didn't really care about poor people!

Matthew 26:6-13

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6While Jesus was in Bethany in the home of a man known as Simon the Leper, 7a woman came to him with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume, which she poured on his head as he was reclining at the table.
8When the disciples saw this, they were indignant. "Why this waste?" they asked. 9"This perfume could have been sold at a high price and the money given to the poor."
10Aware of this, Jesus said to them, "Why are you bothering this woman? She has done a beautiful thing to me. 11The poor you will always have with you, but you will not always have me.

Yep! Me, me, me! It's pretty obvious he didn't care about anybody but himself?

Rebellion · #**153** (**permalink**) 04-25-2008, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by justabubba

nice try, reb ... not really, but given your obvious limitations to discern what is being said i thought i should toss you a bone as a sign of encouragement

Sorry, your limitations in being unable to express yourself clearly are your own problem. Since I wasn't the only one to read it that way.

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it IS my observation that when the ill considered notion that welfare is nothing but a scam which should be scrapped is perpetuated by the neocons, NO consideration is given to the welfare of the children - whose assistance would also be lost those are the same neocons who don't want the baby mommas to be able to have an abortion interestingly, those same neocons who want to involve themselves in the decison whether to have or not to have the baby want to excuse themselves from any responsibility to assist those unwanted children who result

Is everyone saying it should be completely scrapped? No. Is anyone saying the kids should be completely ignored? No. Strawmen abound.

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keep trying reb ... one day you will catch on

And proposing to starve kids isn't what I suggested. But that was your reply. Next time express yourself better. Unfortunately I don't share the same optomism about your future.

Rebellion · #**154** (**permalink**) 04-25-2008, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BuckNaked

Jesus spoke in the Old Testament? It always amazes me how some folks have to jump from book to book using a fraction of the verses to make a point?

I'm sure any fact that contradicts your opinion amazes you.

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Your right though, he didn't really care about poor people!

Who said that? Not me. Once again, your comprehension issues proceed you. And hinder you as well. Do you have a quote that supports your belief that he felt we should give away money to anyone and everyone?

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Matthew 26:6-13

Yep! Me, me, me! It's pretty obvious he didn't care about anybody but himself?

What does this quote have to do with the subject at hand? That being that Jesus didn't believe in handouts to those who could work? Oh right...nothing. You might as well have provided me with your Aunt Betsy's banana bread recipe.

BuckNaked · #**155** (**permalink**) 04-25-2008, 01:34 PM

Touchy, touchy? Well he may or may not have mentioned who to "give money", but he did suggest paying your share of the tithing for the ministry/church, taxes for the government and he mentioned feeding and taking care of the poor, crippled, blind, etc... as an investment, but the guy never worked for his own money?

I know your gonna say Jesus didn’t have to have money, but he did. He had to eat, and drink since he was human. He had to pay taxes, for that we know he fished. He also had to pay for his ministry and provide for his disciples, after all they were his servants.

"So, how did Jesus get money to fund his disciples?", you might say?

I’m glad you asked.

Well in Luke 8:1-3 it happens to mentions that wealthy women were the major donors for Jesus’s ministry.

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1After this, Jesus traveled about from one town and village to another, proclaiming the good news of the kingdom of God. The Twelve were with him, 2and also some women who had been cured of evil spirits and diseases: Mary (called Magdalene) from whom seven demons had come out; 3Joanna the wife of Cuza, the manager of Herod's household; Susanna; and many others. These women were helping to support them out of their own means.

So under today’s definitions he was a evangelical gigolo, living off of the skirt tail of women! Oh my?

BillyBob · #**156** (**permalink**) 04-25-2008, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Zoe

I think my tenant and friend is typical of the poor in America. She is Mexican, works 40 plus hours a week for 8 or $9 an hour. She has a son the same age as mine. She earns too much to qualify for medicaid but no where near enough to buy insurance. I loaned her the money to buy a car because she could not get a loan. (She is still trying to pay off a hospital bill). Do not tell me that the poor are necessarily stupid or lazy. Measured from her handicapped beginning, she has accomplished more , been more responsible than any of the irresponsible Wall St. fixers who have brought down the U.S. economy and lined their own pockets in the process.

Your friend is not 'poor'.

The poverty line for 2 people is a yearly income of $14,291

At $8 per hour your friend earns $16,640 per year.
At $9 per hour your friend earns $18,720 per year.

BillyBob · #**157** (**permalink**) 04-25-2008, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by justabubba

yes, and he [Jesus] would callously disregard the basic needs of the children. thanks for reminding me why i refuse to go to that congregation of hypocrites

What do you mean by that?

justabubba · #**158** (**permalink**) 04-25-2008, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BillyBob

What do you mean by that?

don't tell me we are going to have to enroll you in 'hooked on phonics', too. to answer your question, that response was to this dialogue:

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Originally Posted by justabubba

if ignorance is bliss you must be in nirvana. you state: "We aren't victimizing children at all" by withholding welfare from their parents. nonsense. you follow with another absurdity: "If we don't support those families that doesn't mean we aren't supporting the innocent children". excuse me, if you are not providing welfare to the parents then how in the world are you still supporting the innocent children? i believe your ridiculous answer ensues: "we are forcing their deadbeat mother and/or father to work". really?! how do you know that you are not actually causing those little children to have to do without sustenance? if i had to bet, i would wager you hold yourself out as a Christian. throw away your wwjd bracelet, you have no idea what it means
Reb: WWJD? He would force them to work for their money. Just like occured when he walked the earth.

BillyBob · #**159** (**permalink**) 04-25-2008, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by justabubba

don't tell me we are going to have to enroll you in 'hooked on phonics', too.

No, I am quite literate.

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to answer your question, that response was to this dialogue:

I know which post your response was in reference to, but what did you mean by it?

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Originally Posted by justabubba

yes, and he [Jesus] would callously disregard the basic needs of the children. thanks for reminding me why i refuse to go to that congregation of hypocrites

BuckNaked · #**160** (**permalink**) 04-25-2008, 01:56 PM

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Your friend is not 'poor'.

Yes they are they just don't meet the criteria for poverty stricken, and they certainly are not rich not by a long shot?

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