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Ah, so you really don't have anything to add to this conversation.

Obviously more than you?
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Your friend is not 'poor'.

The poverty line for 2 people is a yearly income of $14,291

At $8 per hour your friend earns $16,640 per year.
At $9 per hour your friend earns $18,720 per year.
That is the problem with this debate!

Define "welfare". Are we talking about TANF? TANF and food stamps? TANF and food stamps and medicaide? Disability insurance?

What is the best definition of poverty? $14,291. is a federal definition, now outdated. That is why most states have defined the poverty line with a different formula, such as 150 % of the federal poverty line. 16 0r $18,000 would not get you a dog house to live in , in some parts of the country. Should my friend dedicate the better part of her income to purchasing healthcare?

If by "welfare", we are talking about TANF recipients, how big a problem is it? How much of the fed. budget does it absorb? What is the average length of time people receive benefits? Are the children of welfare recipients more likely to become TANF recipients and at what average age? Do they finish High School? Some states encourage TANF recipients to go to college. Are the number of TANF recipients going down in those states? How do expenditures and outcomes compare from state to state?

I thought about looking up some of these things but I am not the one taking a class on the topic. I don't think that anyone can have good answers w/o answering many questions.
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PERSONAL INSULT REMOVED I And need I remind you, you're the one resorting to accusations and name calling. PERSONAL INSULT REMOVED
Really? Where?

Listen, I tried to give you a nudge. Don't embarrass yourself.
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Obviously more than you?
Hardly, you can't even substantiate one of your dopey claims.

But I'll give you a second chance....go for it.
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Before I start, I'd like to give some constructive criticism. You're a scatter brain. Your post covers 4 topics and then gives a pep talk at the end. I hope that's not my fault, I could have sworn this topic was simpler than all that.
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Alright things are trickey with a fiat currency and I'm not an expert on the details. But simply lowering the value of the dollar doesn't necessarily help unless it was previously overvalued.
Lowering the dollar creates more jobs because compared to other currencies our dollar is weaker. The idea is that if the dollar is weaker, then the cost for other countries will be less. For example, if you buy a car over seas and their currency is 1 of their dollars for every 2 of our dollars, then a car that cost 20,000 American would only cost 10,000 of their money.

It's been proven so well to work that they created a system to control it, It's called the FED.

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Put in more simple terms at a fundamental level you'd be competing with people in China (or other countries) who live in conditions far worse than our poverty. You don't want to try and get into a race to the bottom with these people. You will not "win".
China is very different on many different levels, and yes they are poorer than us, but we're not racing to the bottom. Nobody, especially the rich, want the united states to turn into china, and if you're assuming that inflating the dollar will cause the poverty that china has, then you'd be wrong. Inflating it at a rate of about 15% probably will, but that's not going to happen. And if you're assuming that taking away welfare will create the poverty that china has, then you're forgetting that china is communist.
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If food prices go up Ethonol may go out of vogue. Though I'm not sure how much the Ethanol movement is based on the environment vs "We'd rather pay twice as much for fuel if the money is going to our people instead of Iran".
it already has. There've been riots in third world countries because they cannot afford food.

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Improving the pay of jobs, I think, would require our country to try and take more of a lions share of more skills based and educated jobs. Of course we'll still have crap jobs. Burgers need to be flipped and such. But we won't solve things by simply adding more of them.
Well, I consider this off topic, but ok. Here's the thing, assuming that people could actually get those jobs - which has never happened - then yes we could all be earning more. It would be an extraordinary thing, but it's highly unlikely.

Simply raising the minimum wage could actually increase poverty. As the pay goes up, businesses have to fire some people. If the government artificially raises wages then you miss the equilibrium of supply and demand in the job market, and then some people cannot get jobs - which actually makes the poor poorer over all. So it's another ultimatum.
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should we attribute that to home schooling?
No, attribute it to my own desire to thoroughly understand my native language.



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[i]reb, like you, ignored the consequences of the children and indicated Jesus "would force them to work for their money. Just like occured when he walked the earth".
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that comment, expressing a willingness to neglect the least among us, caused me to recall the times i attended church amonst those who would profess to be Christian while in the presence of the congregation only to act inconsistent with the principles of their faith once they left the premises
Ah, so your anger at Christians has nothing to do with the topic of discussion.

Got it.

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Really? Where?

Listen, I tried to give you a nudge. Don't embarrass yourself.
Sigh. My attempts at comedy are always wasted on the less fortunate. Just don't say that I don't give to the poor minded.

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No, attribute it to my own desire to thoroughly understand my native language.
what language have you mastered? your english has shown marked improvement since coming on board

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I did? Where and when?
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Why should my family suffer because my hard earned money is paying for some sorryass parents who don't take care of their own dam children?
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Ah, so your anger at Christians has nothing to do with the topic of discussion.

Got it.
not so much anger as observations of churched hypocrisy. an expressed willingness to expose children to unnecessary hardship when the alternative to that exists seems inconsistent with the teachings of Christ. so, you don't think there was a connection between my observations and the topic at hand? obvious to those who choose to see. but for those of you predisposed to stick your head in the sand or another dark orifice, that explains your lack of understanding.
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what language have you mastered?
American.


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I see, so you think that a 46 year old man suddenly improved his language skills in the last two months because he posted here with a bunch of liberal retards?









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Nice attempt at changing the subject, you aren't even accounting for your own claims.

Up until now, I thought better of you.



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not so much anger as observations of churched hypocrisy. an expressed willingness to expose children to unnecessary hardship when the alternative to that exists seems inconsistent with the teachings of Christ. so, you don't think there was a connection between my observations and the topic at hand? obvious to those who choose to see. but for those of you predisposed to stick your head in the sand or another dark orifice, that explains your lack of understanding.
Yep, more liberal, egocentric, unsubstantiated blather.

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American.




I see, so you think that a 46 year old man suddenly improved his language skills in the last two months because he posted here with a bunch of liberal retards?











Nice attempt at changing the subject, you aren't even accounting for your own claims.

Up until now, I thought better of you.





Yep, more liberal, egocentric, unsubstantiated blather.
your surrender is duly noted and accepted
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